Zod/Faora Vs Superman/Thor

Started by Silent Master9 pages

His lightning was always powerful enough to kill the aliens, the longer blast just let him kill more of them...again, there was no increase in power.

I'm not sure regular lightning would put the leviathans down. I think Thor put more power into the lightning he used to destroy the leviathans. I think the power came from him though.

By regular lightning I just mean, no building involved.

Originally posted by Silent Master
His lightning was always powerful enough to kill the aliens, the longer blast just let him kill more of them...again, there was no increase in power.

He sure struck those leviathans for a prolong period of time. Sure Thor killed the initial aliens with ease but afterwards the lightning was continuously striking the same leviathans for a prolong period. The bolt was shown to be thicker than normal too.

The bolts were split between multiple aliens, which is why he needed to fire for a longer period of time.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The bolts were split between multiple aliens, which is why he needed to fire for a longer period of time.
So you claiming the individual bolts were weaker than normal? Yet the bolts were shown thicker than normal.

Let's drop it since it was shown Thor had to strike the underbelly of those leviathans anyway. Also when Hulk stabbed a leviathan Thor sent lightning through it to it's inside to kill it. The lightning itself did no damage to the metal but rather electrocuted the thing from the metal that was stabbed into it.

Leviathans have armor in their underbellies too. There's no proof that they're weaker in their underbellies.

Thor used the building like a lightning rod, to redirect his lightning, to give him bigger coverage. It did not amplify the power of his lightning nor did it prolong it. He has shown that he can prolong his lightning if he wants to (like how he used it against IM). If anything, his lightning should have been weaker there since he had to divide it into multiple forks.

Thor has shown that he can control the intensity of his lightning. Sometimes it's only strong enough to zap someone (like he did to Loki) and other times it's strong enough to level landscape.

Who knows, maybe after pouring out his lightning against those leviathans he couldn't do another lightning strike that strong.

Thor hit their underside because he was below them, stop trying to find reasons to lowball the feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor hit their underside because he was below them, stop trying to find reasons to lowball the feat.
I'm not lowballing the feat. You are claiming Thor's lightning is powerful enough to destroy something Iron Man couldn't. That was the initial point. You were claiming how durable the leviathan was yet Thor's lightning destroyed it.

Considering that Thor's lightning amped Iron-man to 475%, it should be fairly obvious that Thor's lightning is far more powerful than Iron-man

Originally posted by FrothByte
Leviathans have armor in their underbellies too. There's no proof that they're weaker in their underbellies.

Thor used the building like a lightning rod, to redirect his lightning, to give him bigger coverage. It did not amplify the power of his lightning nor did it prolong it. He has shown that he can prolong his lightning if he wants to (like how he used it against IM). If anything, his lightning should have been weaker there since he had to divide it into multiple forks.

Thor has shown that he can control the intensity of his lightning. Sometimes it's only strong enough to zap someone (like he did to Loki) and other times it's strong enough to level landscape.

Who knows, maybe after pouring out his lightning against those leviathans he couldn't do another lightning strike that strong.

Come on now. Give me a break with this nonsense. It is clear as day the leviathans were more vulnerable on their exposed underbelly. Iron Man's missile destroyed one when it hit that part.

The lightning lasted much longer than it did when it hit Iron Man. The bolts were thicker as well. Thor doesn't need help to direct his lightning. He was destroying multiple aliens simultaneously without that building. You are clearly going against the common sense of the movie. This reaching is borderline trolling now.

We see massive amounts of lightning going into the building, far more than ever has been shown in all movies. All of that stored charged was shot back out towards the wormhole to kill multiple aliens and leviathans.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Considering that Thor's lightning amped Iron-man to 475%, it should be fairly obvious that Thor's lightning is far more powerful than Iron-man

Thor's lightning contains more energy than Iron Man holds at a particular moment in time. But energy is not power. Iron Man dispels his repulsor energy in very short bursts instead of a long continuous blast (like lightning).

But that has nothing to do with Iron Man's weapons that aren't powered by his power source (like his missiles).

Lastly, more energy doesn't always mean more damage. Iron Man was charged and not damaged by Thor's lightning.

Actually, Tony's armor was damaged by Thor's lightning...you really need to watch the movies before trying to debate them.

BTW, Thor is far more powerful than Iron-man, this was made clear by their feats and direct comparison during their fight.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, Tony's armor was damaged by Thor's lightning...you really need to watch the movies before trying to debate them.

BTW, Thor is far more powerful than Iron-man, this was made clear by their feats and direct comparison during their fight.

Prehaps it did a little. But Thor damaged him with the initial hammer throw.
Thor wasn't far more powerful than Iron Man. Sure Thor would have won the fight by attrition but that doesn't mean far more powerful. Iron Man was giving it to Thor as well.

Far more powerful IMO is like one shot or no more than 3 shotting someone on a regular. It would have taken Thor many hits to win.

Can movie Thor fly without mjolnir? I hate the fact he held on to the building during his lightning strike, it takes away from the feat Imo. Why did he have to hold on to it, why couldn't he just fire it while flying like in the comics?

Originally posted by h1a8
Prehaps it did a little. But Thor damaged him with the initial hammer throw.
Thor wasn't far more powerful than Iron Man. Sure Thor would have won the fight by attrition but that doesn't mean far more powerful. Iron Man was giving it to Thor as well.

Far more powerful IMO is like one shot or no more than 3 shotting someone on a regular. It would have taken Thor many hits to win.

Thor wasn't trying to kill Iron-Man though. We saw how non holding back Thor would do against IM when Thor effortlessly crushed Tony's arms with his bare hand and easily ripped the mask off him when Tony was dying.

If Thor were to bring the pain with one of his attacks he could kill tony with one hit.

Thor/Supes in a stomp. Wider range of powers with that duo. Durability between Asgardians and Kryptonians can be debated endlessly but i'd have to just place them at the same level.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor wasn't trying to kill Iron-Man though. We saw how non holding back Thor would do against IM when Thor effortlessly crushed Tony's arms with his bare hand and easily ripped the mask off him when Tony was dying.

If Thor were to bring the pain with one of his attacks he could kill tony with one hit.

This is a movie not real life. Movies are simple. There is no indication that Thor was holding back so thus he wasn't. He was pissed for crying out loud, he even tried to kill CA.

Crushing Tony's arm wasn't an option at first. Thus we can't compare other scenes.
Tony probably was damaged enough to allow the mask rip. He didn't try at first anyway. Or movies are just inconsistent. Superman in IV moved the moon but in II could barely stop a bus. We go by writer's intentions and not made up shit that's pretending this shit really happened.

Edit: I just rewatched the scene. Thor didn't forceable rip the mask off. It just easily came off.

I'd definitely say the speed of team 1 may be the deciding factor. If they can disable Superman for a short period Faora and Zod on Thor at super speed would beat the living hell out of him. Not to mention if they took him airborne and just ping pong him in the sky...

There is plenty of evidence that Thor was holding back in those fights, stop trying to lowball characters that you don't like.