Doomsday vs Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
They've hurt plenty of beings beyond Doomsday with their hammers, let alone with energy projection, so clinging onto Superman hurting his hands on Doomsday as some kind of mark against them putting him down doesn't make sense.

You seem to want to project how Superman fought Doomsday onto the duo and throw out every single feat of theirs justifying how they could certainly hurt Doomsday and put him down given their feats against people above that tier by claiming "well, Superman hurt people above Doomsday too and it didn't fare well for him when he fought Doomsday himself". Okay, guess that sucks for Superman when it comes to Doomsday, then.

Space Camel wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes they have. Superman has too but when it came to doomsday he was hurting his hands on doomsday. What does that tells us? That Thor/Superman don't have an average of hurting Doomsday at their normal level. You can cling to Thor hurting Surtur for what its worth, that's not his average just like superman oneshotting death is not his average.

It is since superman is above them in average striking power/high end level. If Superman hurts his hands punching someone I'm sure Thor wouldn't hurt him with mjolnir. Tell me is Harald Jakellson above people like Surtur in durability since Thor broke his hands hitting him and didn't do it while hitting Surtur. It isn't. Superman has far superior striking feats to thor/BRB.

It sucks for Thor too. Thor doesn't goes striking and causing skyfathers pain on average basis. Does he has such feats? Yes. He has showings where he doesn't too and showings where he doesn't do good against heralds/below heralds too. You are clinging to Thor's selective high end feats and throwing out 99% of the rest of his history. Tell me jake, can superman oneshot Harald since he oneshotted a universal abstract?

Thor/Bill don't fight skyfather and beyond beings on average. When he does, though, his "average" is generally enough to stagger them if not cause them pain (in some cases, forcing them to experience pain for the first time in eons). Thor's average power output and striking force is more than enough to phase Doomsday and the only conclusion or reality in which it's not is if you want to lowball or outright ignore Thor's feats. And yeah, virtually every single time Surtur has shown up, Thor has been able to stagger him or even come close to beating him. And it certainly is fuel for his "average". And Superman one shotting "death" with context =/= isn't even a valid example to begin with, but while we're on the subject, Thor's fought his way back from death more than once and has beaten death entities/gods in their own realms, so I am not sure why you hold Superman's feat in such a ridiculously high regard in comparison or use that as a sort of "trump card".

Are you serious with that? Thor can't hurt Doomsday with Mjolnir because Superman hurt his hands on Doomsday? What kind of logic is that? You're basically trying to pigeon hole this "average Thor" you've arbitrarily created in your mind to save face for Superman having issues with him. Mjolnir >>>> Superman's durability and Thor's striking power with the hammer (let alone a throw) is definitely on par at the least with Superman's fist. And I'd like - no, love - for you to prove I'm throwing out "99.9%" of Thor's history here by claiming he has the means to hurt and beat Doomsday. What universal abstract did Superman one shot and in which kind of context? Because if it's like any of the feats you've been peddling lately, I'm skeptical to say the least? And for the record, Harald's durability shits on Doomsday's. And get out of here with that "far superior striking" crap.

Considering pretty much every time Thor faces a skyfather, one of which is a recurring foe of his, he is able to hurt them or stagger them, yes, I'd say his average level of power is enough to do the same to Doomsday, let alone his cutting loose/bloodlusted/no holding back levels....which is something you refuse to accept for whatever reason?

Again, at this rate, we should probably just do a DoS Doomsday versus Thor Battlezone.

Thor's battles with Mangog are more impressive than Superman fighting Doomsday.

Thor has battled lots of "Doomsday" like beings and won...But, of course, he'd lose against DD because Abhil wills it...

Thor nor BRB would beat Doomsday, nothing short of BFR anyway.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor/Bill don't fight skyfather and beyond beings on average. When he does, though, his "average" is generally enough to stagger them if not cause them pain (in some cases, forcing them to experience pain for the first time in eons). Thor's average power output and striking force is more than enough to phase Doomsday and the only conclusion or reality in which it's not is if you want to lowball or outright ignore Thor's feats. And yeah, virtually every single time Surtur has shown up, Thor has been able to stagger him or even come close to beating him. And it certainly is fuel for his "average". And Superman one shotting "death" with context =/= isn't even a valid example to begin with, but while we're on the subject, Thor's fought his way back from death more than once and has beaten death entities/gods in their own realms, so I am not sure why you hold Superman's feat in such a ridiculously high regard in comparison or use that as a sort of "trump card".

Again, at this rate, we should probably just do a DoS Doomsday versus Thor Battlezone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wall of text ftw. Seriously does it hurt you anytime somebody doesn't gives Thor win? Also you didn't answer my question, is Harald>Surtur? Yes or no would be suffice. I dare you to produce context to this

I didn't know any thorbag was even more hypocritical than rage but you exceed where even he failed. Hyping a few of Thor's high end feats while talking shit about superman's feats in the same sentence? El Oh El.

Seriously shut up about things you don't know shit about. That was universal death who just destroyed whole universe in order to break superman's will. Show me those puny death gods destroying a whole universe and then talk. You are comparing Hela to Universal Death?

Yes, I'm serious. Not arbitary. Thor has always been below superman in striking power. So at best he would have no effect on Doomsday? I'm not sure why mjolnir factors in this. I'm talking about striking power and LOL @ at least being par on superman's striking power. I'ms sure the appearances of thor battling skyfathers and hurting them are less than 1% of his total appearances. Posted above and no context. He just went up and oneshotted him. Also Superman oneshots a quantum zealot who was beating a 5-d imp.

Like I said to rage, I don't give a damn about what you think. Why? Because its Thor? Its not "crap".

Hurting skyfathers=/=average feats. What feats does cutting loose Thor has that denotes his performance rises that above his average? Give me a relative performance like superman vs imperiex probes.

Seeing as how he's so few appearances, its not feasible. A superman/Thor battlezone, now that would be fun.

Didn't Doomsday in Year One survive a Guardian's death, which was powerful enough to rip a hole in space/time?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Doomsday in Year One survive a Guardian's death, which was powerful enough to rip a hole in space/time?

To be fair, the blast didn't do anything to Prime. In fact, the suicidal attack only amped Prime. Still, it was powerful enough and a good showing for DD

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Thor's battles with Mangog are more impressive than Superman fighting Doomsday.

Thor has battled lots of "Doomsday" like beings and won...But, of course, he'd lose against DD because Abhil wills it...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it denotes how high his durability is, not saying that Thor/Bill would use their fists to punch him. They are not putting down Doomsday with hitting him from mjolnir/stormbreaker when superman hurts his hands punching him.

Compared to the beings superman has hurt? They would come far below in striking power.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
To be fair, Superman didn't just show up punch Doomsday and then say "Shit!!! That hurts." He didn't start hurting his fist until well into the battle, when his energy reserves were lower.

Originally posted by DTM
Thor nor BRB would beat Doomsday, nothing short of BFR anyway.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Abhi doesn't care about specifics. He never has. Context is something he will bull rush through if need be. We've had writers explain what a scene meant and watched him cling to his interpretation. Bottom line debate with him is impossible IMO. You can't disagree with the writer on his own story.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
More like explaining Hitler to a three year old. And for the record the ""New Kahn" is to the old Kahn, what Wayne Brady is to black people. But that's a different debate.

I wish he would just ad it when he's wrong. He wouldn't receive this backlash.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
To be fair, Superman didn't just show up punch Doomsday and then say "Shit!!! That hurts." He didn't start hurting his fist until well into the battle, when his energy reserves were lower.

Wait let me get this straight... You are arguing that it was a strong Superman that felt Pain, not a weakened one? Cos..? You know what i don't even know 🤨 😕 😖

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not true, that wasn't a weakened superman.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
He had already been k.o'd when the gas station blew up and even stated that he was feeling weaker in the same panel stating that hitting Doomsday hurts. What color is the sky in your world?

Your downplaying of doomsday is amusing btw. Doomsday was leaping 50 miles in a single leap btw. Carry on your lowballing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Abhi doesn't care about specifics. He never has. Context is something he will bull rush through if need be. We've had writers explain what a scene meant and watched him cling to his interpretation. Bottom line debate with him is impossible IMO. You can't disagree with the writer on his own story.