strongest person ULTIMATE thor could beat

Originally posted by carver9
Wasn't Ultimate Namor the strongest/most powerful being on Ult U? They even granted him teleportation IIRC.

Originally posted by Digi
Well, no to the former. I don't remember him being terribly beyond his 616 incarnation, but he certainly wasn't > a lot of characters. On the latter, unsure. I followed a bunch of Ultimate titles for quite a while, but not at all in the last couple years. It may be a power I'm unaware of.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
I was mainly talking about strength.

Meh, females. Explains itself.

I would. Is it any good? I think how they are described, he was weakened there when Thor was unleashing on him.

Yeah Hype looked beyond thor. Not if hype was weakened there.

What kind of response is that? Thor casually dismisses someone who's pretty much as strong as Hyperion and even more formidable in hand to hand when he's angry and your comeback is females?

They emit radiation that will kill him eventually or whatever. But he spent not an insignificant amount of time trying remove these things before he had to leave ground zero. If they wrestled for like an hour in the thing, okay, I get it, but a few seconds? No, not enough to discount it.

Probably was, but I don't believe it's enough to make a difference in the outcome. Based on how he handled Zarda, you could easily argue he's noticeably stronger then Hyperion fresh or not.

I also just remembered that Zarda and Thor had a second fight in that Ultimates series. She specifically said she wasn't going to hold back and got beat in hand to hand. Thor actually put her down and was about to end her until War Machine interfered. For some comparison, she was trading blows with Ultimate Thing easily after he owned Hyperion IIRC and she took out Ultimate Hulk (Used her strength and skill in that fight).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.
Namor was explicitly the most powerful metahuman by comparison when that ring or whatever was choosing the most powerful being on planet and choosed namor instead of hulk, thing, thor and doom.

Interesting, thanks. Now, the follow-up, are there feats to support that choice? It just seems anomalous to me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What kind of response is that? Thor casually dismisses someone who's pretty much as strong as Hyperion and even more formidable in hand to hand when he's angry and your comeback is females?

They emit radiation that will kill him eventually or whatever. But he spent not an insignificant amount of time trying remove these things before he had to leave ground zero. If they wrestled for like an hour in the thing, okay, I get it, but a few seconds? No, not enough to discount it.

Probably was, but I don't believe it's enough to make a difference in the outcome. Based on how he handled Zarda, you could easily argue he's noticeably stronger then Hyperion fresh or not.

I was joking bro. Lighten up. Although she is still a woman. Also where was it stated that she is as strong as hyperion? Just compare their showings against Thor and it seems untrue.

So he was already exposed to it. Maybe it was a delayed effect or something. I would've to read the comic to be certain.

Direct strength comparison showed Hype as beyond Thor in strength. That's why ABC logic doesn't work.

Originally posted by Digi
Interesting, thanks. Now, the follow-up, are there feats to support that choice? It just seems anomalous to me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was joking bro. Lighten up. Although she is still a woman. Also where was it stated that she is as strong as hyperion? Just compare their showings against Thor and it seems untrue.

So he was already exposed to it. Maybe it was a delayed effect or something. I would've to read the comic to be certain.

Direct strength comparison showed Hype as beyond Thor in strength. That's why ABC logic doesn't work.

I'm not telepathic, how should I know? They stalemated, maybe more then once. She also stalemated Ultimate Thing in that arc.

I don't understand why you can accept Hyperion going all-out and becoming stronger but not the same for Thor? Why is this so hard for you?

Yes, but he specifically was high in the air away from the ground up until the battle so he wouldn't be affected by the things over long term. Exposure for a few seconds would not weaken him enough for someone to manhandle him.

So Hyperion got mad and owned Thor. Thor gets mad and owns Hyperion. The spores shed some doubt on this but Thor owns Zarda, Hyperion's peer, cementing his strength (Twice I might add).

For those interested, the new Thor series retconned the original hammer into becoming Mjolnir:

After Ragnarok, he was reborn as a man:

The metallic hammer is what he used when mortal, this series kind of retcons some stuff.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I also just remembered that Zarda and Thor had a second fight in that Ultimates series. She specifically said she wasn't going to hold back and got beat in hand to hand. Thor actually put her down and was about to end her until War Machine interfered. For some comparison, she was trading blows with Ultimate Thing easily after he owned Hyperion IIRC and she took out Ultimate Hulk (Used her strength and skill in that fight).

Rage, send me a PM on where you download your comics.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not telepathic, how should I know? They stalemated, maybe more then once. She also stalemated Ultimate Thing in that arc.

I don't understand why you can accept Hyperion going all-out and becoming stronger but not the same for Thor? Why is this so hard for you?

Yes, but he specifically was high in the air away from the ground up until the battle so he wouldn't be affected by the things over long term. Exposure for a few seconds would not weaken him enough for someone to manhandle him.

So Hyperion got mad and owned Thor. Thor gets mad and owns Hyperion. The spores shed some doubt on this but Thor owns Zarda, Hyperion's peer, cementing his strength (Twice I might add).

Because Thor didn't own him with just strength, maybe?

Like I said maybe it was a delayed effect. I can't say for certain untill I read the comic.

Beating a peer doesn't supersedes a direct strength showing. I can make a case of Wonder Woman being stronger than superman by that way.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't have to be a telepath to understand a joke, well maybe you do.

Because Thor didn't own him with just strength, maybe?

Like I said maybe it was a delayed effect. I can't say for certain untill I read the comic.

Beating a peer doesn't supersedes a direct strength showing. I can make a case of Wonder Woman being stronger than superman by that way.

I'm sorry I couldn't tell if you were joking or not. My apologies.

He used lightning in the assault but it's pretty clear to me he wasn't someone an all out Hyperion can beat in hand to hand necessarily much less manhandle.

What delayed effect are you talking about? I'm confused. Prolonged exposure causes him to be sick (Sweaty chills etc.) so he left ground level to avoid negative effects. Thor's fight knocked him into the ground momentarily which is why I'm saying it wasn't a relevant enough factor to throw out the fight.

Be my guest, it doesn't change my argument. But Thor owned her in hand to hand combat like he was owning Hyperion after the lightning blast, not with energy absorption or something.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Do you have scans of that 2nd fight? I had issues getting those comics and never got around to finding them after so I haven't seen it.

Tomorrow, I need to sleep now.

Alright, I found the issues, so enjoy guys.

Thor fought the Ultimates, Loki and Hel throughout the issues but I'll only post the ones with Zarda in them (Dude has some wicked damage soak when he gets mad):

It seems Iron Man hit them hard enough to take out Zarda I guess.

For some comparison as to how tough Zarda is, here's her fight with Hulk:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361531-ultimatehulk1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361532-ultimatehulk2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361533-ultimatehulk3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361534-ultimatehulk4.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361535-ultimatehulk5.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361536-ultimatehulk6.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361537-ultimatehulk7.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361538-ultimatehulk8.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361539-ultimatehulk9.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361540-ultimatehulk10.jpg

I don't have scans of her fight with Hyperion but they stalemate and she also takes on Thing after Hyperion (Not sure if she takes him out):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2641514-thing_vs_zarda.jpg

My point is that she's just as strong as he is. Closer to Thor/Hulk relationship then a Wonder Woman/Superman one.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm sorry I couldn't tell if you were joking or not. My apologies.

He used lightning in the assault but it's pretty clear to me he wasn't someone an all out Hyperion can beat in hand to hand necessarily much less manhandle.

What delayed effect are you talking about? I'm confused. Prolonged exposure causes him to be sick (Sweaty chills etc.) so he left ground level to avoid negative effects. Thor's fight knocked him into the ground momentarily which is why I'm saying it wasn't a relevant enough factor to throw out the fight.

Be my guest, it doesn't change my argument. But Thor owned her in hand to hand combat like he was owning Hyperion after the lightning blast, not with energy absorption or something.

That's debatable if he was getting weakened.

I was just guessing that it might have a delayed affect on him since he was mentioned to be getting weakened.

You would like that, don't you? Anyway, I don't have much interest in ultimate marvel so meh. Hyperion=~Thor overall in power, that's good enough for you?

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Which? The 'i have been holding back despite stating I was giving it my all or actually trying' or the getting bloodied and saying it 'tickled' ?
The tickle part is fine, it's just bravado be it true or not but the part about holding back I'd agree. I rather he just show he can do more and dominate a fight than talk smack..

The first part. It's the laziest kind of retconning and just makes no sense.

Originally posted by asdf83
The first part. It's the laziest kind of retconning and just makes no sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No problem bro.

That's debatable if he was getting weakened.

I was just guessing that it might have a delayed affect on him since he was mentioned to be getting weakened.

You would like that, don't you? Anyway, I don't have much interest in ultimate marvel so meh. Hyperion=~Thor overall in power, that's good enough for you?

Why? It's not like his strength was cut in half.

I didn't bring it up, you did lol. They're pretty close in close combat but Thor's more powerful and versatile imho.

In regards to Thor's anger and it's effects on his abilities, that was one of the main points in New Ultimates:

That being said, there's a lot of conflicting information regarding Thor and his powers. One reoccurring them however seems to be that in his God Form, Thor's practically unstoppable.

So Ultimate Thor can fly without his hammer? Niiiice. That's what they need to do with 616 Thor.

I read that comic...can't believe I don't remember it. Is this when he went on a rampage, fought two ironmen/women. Pretty much stomped the Avengers and the military, kind of got burnt to a crisp where his hair was completely gone, face damaged but kept going with his rampage? Is this correct Rage? They ended up defeating him by taking his gear or is this another scene that I am unaware of?

Originally posted by carver9
So Ultimate Thor can fly without his hammer? Niiiice. That's what they need to do with 616 Thor.

When he's a God, this Thor doesn't need Mjolnir to fly or control the elements: