Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanks for the scans, been a while since I've read that story.My conclusion? If the Destroyer faces S'ivaa in original size then it's a spite thread as any being from New Genesis simply operated on a higher level of existence in that story (This is not always the case).
If it's a neutral battle ground or the Destroyer enters through a Boomtube or teleports there etc. then the Destroyer would have the upper hand in combat. While we see S'ivaa hurt and affected or what have you, we're unclear as to what it would take to actually put him down. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but not to the point of no limit fallacy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
S'ivaa wasn't a new god and wasn't altered by boom tube. He was just that large. Superman and Orion had the benefit of being altered by boom tube, destroyer wouldn't have that luxury.
He wasn't altered by a boom tube because he was already in the 4th world. If he entered the 3rd world, he would indeed have been massive. If Superman or Orion had gone through the tear in space/time, they also would have been massive, so I'm not sure what your point is.
I think it should just be assumed that we're referring to a smaller S'ivaa in this thread as if he entered this battle through a boom tube, just as we'd assume Orion would be a smaller size entering a battle.
Originally posted by Cogito
He wasn't altered by a boom tube because he was already in the 4th world. If he entered the 3rd world, he would indeed have been massive. If Superman or Orion had gone through the tear in space/time, they also would have been massive, so I'm not sure what your point is.I think it should just be assumed that we're referring to a smaller S'ivaa in this thread as if he entered this battle through a boom tube, just as we'd assume Orion would be a smaller size entering a battle.
^sivaa was imprisoned beneath the eternal sea of new genesis :
http://i.imgur.com/lydtXnc.jpg
this is how how awakened:
http://i.imgur.com/wazALw9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pCh5yfy.jpg
though superman getting altered by a boom tube is contradictory to what appeared in a supergirl comic
supergirl goes through the boom tube:
http://i.imgur.com/KmpQkNw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WGmoio9.jpg
next issue we learn that she is dwarfed by the new gods:
http://i.imgur.com/zIOiRdr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TM0KUdF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kbH4R5a.jpg
granny goodness explains that only new gods automatically get altered when traveling through a boom tube:
http://i.imgur.com/usA1g3t.jpg
this concept however, was used on a smaller scale than in the new gods issues where sivaa appears.
Originally posted by operator616
sivaa was a multiversal threat as far as im concerned, if not more.follow me closely
first of all, shivaa is a threat to all existence:
http://i.imgur.com/10cEVsz.jpg
now the big question is what does 'all existence' mean according to context.
orion explains that all mortal universes (the multiverse) exists in bubbles in new genesis:
http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg
earlier in the issue, the new earth universe is referred to as a mortal universe
http://i.imgur.com/WvVIMzf.jpg
^which indeed indicates that the whole multiverse exists in bubbles in new genesis.
now shivaa attacks, and is beginning to destroy existence, and you will notice how insignificant entire planets are compared to even superman and orion, why is that? orion himself explains, as i said earlier that the whole multiverse exists in bubbles in new genesis, and since now that superman is in new genesis (and the motherbox altered his size as he traveled to new genesis) he himself can dwarf entire worlds
http://i.imgur.com/T2y3i6g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5JKVHyl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7vf6lqH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WRKPIOh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0dSU6E6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iWcIqs5.jpgthough he didn't treat orion and superman as merely annoyances, however he was defeated by his own power, when orion blasted him through the hole (which he created to destory all existence) sending him right to the source wall.
http://i.imgur.com/X8Od4mD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tRxFH7Y.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KpWM44p.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wrVIhdn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5ij7YiB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JAuS9Ui.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O8ST6p6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TN5TEma.jpg
Thanks for the scans. Who do you got in terms of the fight?
Originally posted by Golgo13
Thanks for the scans. Who do you got in terms of the fight?
no problem.
obviously, sivaa wins since he's operating on a much higher level than the destroyer, but if they are put on the same level (like rage said), it would be close but hard determine, the fact that orion and superman did give him a good fight definitely suggests that destroyer has a chance, still going with sivaa though, too much plot was involved in his demise.
Originally posted by operator616Based on what evidence does he operate on a higher level ?
no problem.obviously, sivaa wins since he's operating on a much higher level than the destroyer, but if they are put on the same level (like rage said), it would be close but hard determine, the fact that orion and superman did give him a good fight definitely suggests that destroyer has a chance, still going with sivaa though, too much plot was involved in his demise.
Originally posted by operator616
no problem.obviously, sivaa wins since he's operating on a much higher level than the destroyer, but if they are put on the same level (like rage said), it would be close but hard determine, the fact that orion and superman did give him a good fight definitely suggests that destroyer has a chance, still going with sivaa though, too much plot was involved in his demise.
👆 Thanks.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't see any evidence which supported him operating on another level.
the evidence is right in front of you.
all universes (multiverse) exist inside bubbles in the fourth world:
http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg
and when superman arrives there, he can dwarf entire worlds/planets:
http://i.imgur.com/WRKPIOh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0dSU6E6.jpg
sivaa is already in the fourth world thus he operates on a higher level of existence. Simple.
Originally posted by operator616No, since whoever goes to see him this then changes. It's also just size. Destroyer operates on a much higher level.
the evidence is right in front of you.all universes (multiverse) exist inside bubbles in the fourth world:
http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg
and when superman arrives there, he can dwarf entire worlds/planets:
http://i.imgur.com/WRKPIOh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0dSU6E6.jpgsivaa is already in the fourth world thus he operates on a higher level of existence. Simple.
^i already commented on this, make sure you read the whole thread.
Originally posted by operator616
supergirl goes through the boom tube:http://i.imgur.com/KmpQkNw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WGmoio9.jpgnext issue we learn that she is dwarfed by the new gods:
http://i.imgur.com/zIOiRdr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TM0KUdF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kbH4R5a.jpggranny goodness explains that only new gods automatically get altered when traveling through a boom tube:
http://i.imgur.com/usA1g3t.jpg
this concept however, was used on a smaller scale than in the new gods issues where sivaa appears.
Originally posted by operator616
the evidence is right in front of you.all universes (multiverse) exist inside bubbles in the fourth world:
http://i.imgur.com/3sdBlPN.jpg
and when superman arrives there, he can dwarf entire worlds/planets:
http://i.imgur.com/WRKPIOh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mRPz6k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0dSU6E6.jpgsivaa is already in the fourth world thus he operates on a higher level of existence. Simple.
Does being in that higher dimension makes you stronger/More powerful?
