Originally posted by quanchi112
He did no such thing. He did not post any proof substantiating Am has no soul or can resist.
Did you read what he posted?
Warlock failing to soul steal someone who had a soul because the entity was powerful enough to take it. This means that the soul sucking abilities of the Gem have an upper level and thus, AM can potentially take them without any particular resistance.
That pretty much debunks your idea that Warlock will just soul suck just because, now you really have to prove he can do it against someone on AM's level. That's how the debate works.
Get on it please 😉
Originally posted by BentleyI never said he could do so to anyone and that this is without limit. I said he can take Am's soul. If someone believes he can resist then post proof.
Did you read what he posted?Warlock failing to soul steal someone who had a soul because the entity was powerful enough to take it. This means that the soul sucking abilities of the Gem have an upper level and thus, AM can potentially take them without any particular resistance.
That pretty much debunks your idea that Warlock will just soul suck just because, now you really have to prove he can do it against someone on AM's level. That's how the debate works.
Get on it please 😉
Power level does not resist a certain attack. Take Superman for instance he can't resist mental attacks simply because he is powerful its just that he can do so for other reasons.
Am is someone who despite the exaggeration can be physically taken on. I for one see the soul attack working. If you just disagree then it's your right to do so but without proof it's a baseless claim which is illogical.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he could do so to anyone and that this is without limit. I said he can take Am's soul. If someone believes he can resist then post proof.Power level does not resist a certain attack. Take Superman for instance he can't resist mental attacks simply because he is powerful its just that he can do so for other reasons.
The problem is that the example is more akin to Galactus, a certain kind of powerset has a much higher resistance to miscelaneous attacks. Or are you implying that Galactus's powerlevel doesn't give him an intrinsic resistance against mental attacks?
I think this point is rather clear *shrughs*
Originally posted by quanchi112
Am is someone who despite the exaggeration can be physically taken on. I for one see the soul attack working. If you just disagree then it's your right to do so but without proof it's a baseless claim which is illogical.
Baseless claims aren't illogical, just thought I would point that out.
Is your claim any less baseless than mine though? It sounds as if yours was almost contradicted by evidence, and as if you tried to shy away from it by claiming its not proof.
Originally posted by BentleyGalactus happens to be really powerful.
The problem is that the example is more akin to Galactus, a certain kind of powerset has a much higher resistance to miscelaneous attacks. Or are you implying that Galactus's powerlevel doesn't give him an intrinsic resistance against mental attacks?I think this point is rather clear *shrughs*
Baseless claims aren't illogical, just thought I would point that out.
Is your claim any less baseless than mine though? It sounds as if yours was almost contradicted by evidence, and as if you tried to shy away from it by claiming its not proof.
Galactus station and his mental defense does not have to do with his overall power level. Galactus can resist said tactic but that isn't proof Am can do so.
My claim is the soul gem does what it's designed to do. If you feel it cannot do so then the burden is on you.
Originally posted by BentleyWolverine doesn't have power or mastery over souls or killing.
The soul suck has failed before "what its designed to do" its just not enough. Wolverine is designed to kill, but he ain't taking on Thanos.So really, seems like you want to play the semantics game to look good but that you're in no shape and form in a less arbitrary ground that I am.
My claim is the soul gem does what it does. If you want to prove it fails prove it.
Originally posted by DiesldudePower level has nothing to do with it. That was also an inexperienced Warlock.
Quan, man you are reaching. Bran gave you an example of warlock failing to soul suck a being who was way less than an insect to AM.Since AM is a part of the over monitor, outside of the presence's creation, chances are that it doesn't have a soul.
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Then prove it.
Originally posted by quanchi112Hate to say it but I'm gonna have to disagree. Not just with that statement, but the soul gem tactic in general. As far as I know the most powerful beings Warlock have trapped in Soul World are Magus and Goddess. Neither are even remotely as powerful as AM. Here is a shot, sorry I don't have a scanner, of someone exponentially less powerful that AM resisting the SG. I would also add that this Warlock is significantly more proficient with the gem when this happened. For my money Thanos with the Reality Gem would be much more effective than Warlock with the Soul Gem against on opponent like the Anti-Monitor.
Power level has nothing to do with it. That was also an inexperienced Warlock.😂
Then prove it.
Originally posted by BrockalizerOops forgot the pic, my bad.
Hate to say it but I'm gonna have to disagree. Not just with that statement, but the soul gem tactic in general. As far as I know the most powerful beings Warlock have trapped in Soul World are Magus and Goddess. Neither are even remotely as powerful as AM. Here is a shot, sorry I don't have a scanner, of someone exponentially less powerful that AM resisting the SG. I would also add that this Warlock is significantly more proficient with the gem when this happened. For my money Thanos with the Reality Gem would be much more effective than Warlock with the Soul Gem against on opponent like the Anti-Monitor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Wolverine doesn't have power or mastery over souls or killing.
Nor does Warlock, since he failed to soul suck opponents before. Both have a tool to achieve their goal, none of them is assured to succeed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My claim is the soul gem does what it does. If you want to prove it fails prove it.
Your claim is that Warlock is able to do something using the Soul gem, something he has failed to do on weaker opponents than the Antimonitor, an strategy that has failed. Are we to think this move is so formidable when it has failed? I don't see why take your word for it. Find an statement that at least backs up your wild speculation, at least we can leave it as a disagreement then.
Originally posted by BrockalizerYou would first need to prove power in general determines what sort of tactic would work and what would not.
Hate to say it but I'm gonna have to disagree. Not just with that statement, but the soul gem tactic in general. As far as I know the most powerful beings Warlock have trapped in Soul World are Magus and Goddess. Neither are even remotely as powerful as AM. Here is a shot, sorry I don't have a scanner, of someone exponentially less powerful that AM resisting the SG. I would also add that this Warlock is significantly more proficient with the gem when this happened. For my money Thanos with the Reality Gem would be much more effective than Warlock with the Soul Gem against on opponent like the Anti-Monitor.
Originally posted by BentleyIf you believe the soul suck won't work then prove it.
Nor does Warlock, since he failed to soul suck opponents before. Both have a tool to achieve their goal, none of them is assured to succeed.Your claim is that Warlock is able to do something using the Soul gem, something he has failed to do on weaker opponents than the Antimonitor, an strategy that has failed. Are we to think this move is so formidable when it has failed? I don't see why take your word for it. Find an statement that at least backs up your wild speculation, at least we can leave it as a disagreement then.
you'd have to prove power level is the determining factor here. You don't have to but again your burden.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
We know what it took to take down the AM in a DC comic... with this team and the gems... I think i would be quite enough.
You would be wrong.
It took getting hit point blank by the Creation Blast, the blast destroyed the Infinite Pre-Crisis Era and created the the Finite Post Crisis Era. Even then AM was still alive and well, and ready for round 2.