Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I'm saying there's a clear difference with an inexperienced soul gem user he was at the time of the said feat and later on. You seem to want to ignore that.
Well, ok, I'm willing to go with your theory if you can give me another instance of Warlock proving to be less impressive with the gem on his previous issues. I have no reason not to give you the benefit of doubt until I go back and read those comics.
I'm not a random hater after all.
Originally posted by BentleyI don't have to. You have no choice but to acknowledge he was inexperienced at that point.
Well, ok, I'm willing to go with your theory if you can give me another instance of Warlock proving to be less impressive with the gem on his previous issues. I have no reason not to give you the benefit of doubt until I go back and read those comics.I'm not a random hater after all.
Warlock uses the soul gem on Anti Monitor. Just admit it.
Originally posted by BentleyYou can deny he was inexperienced all you want and pretend I have to prove myself to you. I simply don't care. Am loses to Warlock.
I agree, you don't, I was just giving you an opportunity to redeem yourself, but since you are so unwilling to prove his inexperience, then I cannot really side with your argument.Is it so much trouble for you just to provide any kind of proof?
Nobody is telling you need to prove myself, I'd gladly believe you on your word if you weren't so childish at most of your debates.
Ok, do you swear by your honor that Warlock was indeed unexperienced enough so it can be a difference, and that such unexperienced was portrayed during the run of the comic you're judging?
Originally posted by SquallX
Are you dense?To create something new in an occupied space, you either builds on the old foundation, or destroy the old foundation.
That's what Creation Blast was, it completely destroyed everything in the Pre-Crisis Era, and rebuild and created the Finite Post Crisis Era.
AM at his peak took that blast head on, and was asking for more.
you're dense... I listed a few examples where no such durability was even taken into account. Do you understand the vast difference between sending out a wave to create things and sending out a wave to destroy things? You seem to think they are one in the same. Please show me the scans of AM taking a blast that was meant to destroy him point blank. That is what I want to see. I don't want to see him taking a blast not even meant to kill him but meant to create a new universe.
Originally posted by BentleyYes, he was inexperienced at the time. With my given history and being the most battlezone tested man here my opinion should carry believe me at my word.
Nobody is telling you need to prove myself, I'd gladly believe you on your word if you weren't so childish at most of your debates.Ok, do you swear by your honor that Warlock was indeed unexperienced enough so it can be a difference, and that such unexperienced was portrayed during the run of the comic you're judging?
Eh, I'll give you the benefit of doubt, you can feel free to assume its because of one of your, ummm, many qualities.
The fact that lack of experience with the gem amounts to something proves that not every task is the same for the user of the gem, the Soul Gem is not a device that will just such any soul because its "made for that". Agreed?
Originally posted by BentleyYoud have to prove why it wouldn't work on Am which was my point from the onset of this debate.
Eh, I'll give you the benefit of doubt, you can feel free to assume its because of one of your, ummm, many qualities.The fact that lack of experience with the gem amounts to something proves that not every task is the same for the user of the gem, the Soul Gem is not a device that will just such any soul because its "made for that". Agreed?
Originally posted by leonidasnah, i know about the alternate designation. the problem i have
with this idea is 2-fold: (a) it limits and seems to ignore infinity's
function in the universe/mulitverse. (b) when quasar was in the the
DoM he saw versions of eternity from the past (and iirc) from the
future as well. and in that same issue, the DoM was stated by the
manifester to exist for only this universe/multiverse/plane or some
such. were eternity in the past as you say, quasar shouldn't have
been able to see him, as he'd be in another alternate universe's DoM.
unless DoM supplies m-bodies for the entire greater multiverse,
which seems to be against how it was described by the manifester.
i'll look into it more later.
(b) Time is meaningless in the DoM. (it located outside Eternity)
Which is why Beyonder is still there talking to the Cosmics.
Quasar was bumping into any manifested M-body that had
manifested in the DoM prior, they just linger there after being used.
And there's only One Present representation of Eternity/Infinity.
Also Leo, the DoM is a standalone reality, it has no alternates.
It's located Outside Eternity/infinity. It's a Void, only containing Past M-bodies,
and Fractals that haven't formed one yet.
Originally posted by Mr Master
(a) I disagree. Although I think you're looking at it logically.
Although it's not what Marvel's portraying imo.
But I think I have more to explain later. And I found interesting things to add.
i'm not so sure you're right about what they are portraying. the marvel future isn't pre-ordained, hence infinity represents any of a series of POSSIBLE future timelines. the future designations are necessary to differentiate the different possible futures, but that doesn't mean that it's a 'different' infinity that exists in that future. eternity/infinity are TRANSFINITE:
http://imageshack.us/f/812/4ki4.jpg/
(b) Time is meaningless in the DoM. (it located outside Eternity)
Which is why Beyonder is still there talking to the Cosmics.
Quasar was bumping into any manifested M-body that had
manifested in the DoM prior, they just linger there after being used.
And there's only One Present representation of Eternity/Infinity.
not sure where you get the notion that there is only one 'present' representation. quasar interrupted the meeting between eternity and the LT and LT noticed him. that meeting took place in the PAST. clearly even a past representation CAN impact the present.
Also Leo, the DoM is a standalone reality, it has no alternates.
It's located Outside Eternity/infinity. It's a Void, only containing Past M-bodies,
and Fractals that haven't formed one yet.
well, the underlined part is manifestly wrong as quasar saw the m-bodies of the FUTURE timeline:
http://imageshack.us/f/825/0hqf.jpg/
beyond that, even quasar himself knows that infinity will have...an infinite number of m-bodies present in the DoM:
http://imageshack.us/f/706/3q6h.jpg/
there is also the bit in the first scan where quasar specifically SAYS that the manifester only manifests m-bodies for the beings in the UNIVERSE. the prime manifester specifically agrees. so, what that means to me is this: the eternity/infinity we see talking to the hawk god and LT in the future is the SAME eternity/infinity we have currently, it's simply a future version of him, that's all. not an "alternate." as transfinite beings, they would be able to exist in multiple timelines simultaneously. the case is further supported by quasar's search for "eternity". were this truly the only DoM in existence, quasar should have been looking for eternity 616. if EVERY eternity in the multiverse used the same DoM, well, how would anthropomorpho have known WHICH eternity quasar was looking for?
and time does indeed have meaning in the DoM because it designates m-bodies as being closer or further from a present timeline--in this case, quasar's.
i think the idea leads to some interesting ramifications if thought out, and the idea fits in nicely with the idea that eternity/infinity 616 represent MUCH more than a single little universe.....
