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no, I hear you, it is just that any ruling is going to be dependent on the character, ya? like, god waves or "comic book" black holes aren't banned outright, only in terms of how powerful they are. in theory, anything that wouldn't outright kill a high meta should be allowed, it's just that god waves and black holes tend to be higher than that in almost every instance.
Ambient, welcome to the tourney 😄
Originally posted by Digi
Also, since I'm not sure everyone understands mind, someone like xavier as a mind... Would you get tp? Your distinction on tp and tk was a touch confusing, so I'm trying to make sure it's clarified for everyone.
Mind and TK pretty much fall under the same ability in my mind. Is that going to be a huge problem/headache for the judges?
If you draft Xavier as mind then you should not get his telepathy since its a power and not something that he learned. However, you would need to draft Karnak's mind in order to get his weakness-detection since its a technique learned through meditation.
Is that too complex? I'm tempted to just push all mind abilities into mind, passive body into body and other powers into powers.
Originally posted by Digi
So miss martian as a body pick would get all martian powers? That wouldn't include something like telepathy, would it? Or just things like shape shifting?
Originally posted by Oliver North
curryman specified that, should you draft a body or power that your mind wouldn't know how to use (his example was the shape-shifting abilities of Skrulls) you wouldn't be a maximum proficiency with it.This also seems like a huge can of worms.
I tried to make a distinction between the "passive" abilities of someone's body and the "active" ones. So that if you actually wanted to use Miss Martian's telepathy or a Skrull's shapeshifting, you would need an experienced telepath or shapeshifter in their bodies.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i will say right now to nip this psychic/magic-mind/power issue in the bud now or that shitball that's now starting to roll will get too big to be stopped.
I intentionally left slack limitations on telepathy in the rules since I was hoping to see some psionics get drafted, but like I mentioned earlier, if its too much work to specifically determine whether a character's abilities fall into power or mind, I can make a stricter ruling on it 🙂
Originally posted by Oliver North
don't worry, PG. I'm going to be the hugest pedant, even for me, judging the drafts for that exact reason. [b]I AM THE LAW.but no, I'm actually sort of with you, and I'd go so far as saying magic is imba in this tourney. [/B]
Good! Be the law!
We need strict judges, and I feel like I might be too slack.
I just remember the tourney I tried to host. I left things like time manip or other typically banned abilities open because I wanted to foster more creativity. It ended up being a huge cluster**** because of how open ended it was.
I'm not saying make things super strict, just that a lot of the restrictions that exist are based on previous experience and are there because they are so open to abuse. Just be prepared for contestants to push every limit you tried to set, for as cordial and friendly of an environment that these tourneys are, contestants are working to win, not to make it fair or work well, and they are trying to find the ways around your restrictions rather than working within them.
Originally posted by Oliver North
😛no, I hear you, it is just that any ruling is going to be dependent on the character, ya? like, god waves or "comic book" black holes aren't banned outright, only in terms of how powerful they are. in theory, anything that wouldn't outright kill a high meta should be allowed, it's just that god waves and black holes tend to be higher than that in almost every instance.
i can take damage as body and say Cloak as power and make them go critical for a Big Bang attack - cept I know it's ohk. Just an example.
That's the fun of tourney finding out ways of limits.
You're still going to have lots of these types of questions, but curry's general approach makes sense to me.
Be prepared to make some in-match rulings though.
Originally posted by Oliver North
I just remember the tourney I tried to host. I left things like time manip or other typically banned abilities open because I wanted to foster more creativity. It ended up being a huge cluster**** because of how open ended it was.I'm not saying make things super strict, just that a lot of the restrictions that exist are based on previous experience and are there because they are so open to abuse. Just be prepared for contestants to push every limit you tried to set, for as cordial and friendly of an environment that these tourneys are, contestants are working to win, not to make it fair or work well, and they are trying to find the ways around your restrictions rather than working within them.
All of this.
Perhaps instead of making lots of absolute restrictions there should be some wiggle room, where whether a tactic is made illegal is decided on a case by case/reasonable person basis. The judges/host(s) could look at the tactic and decide if it violates the spirit of the tourney. Just a suggestion.
Btw, do we have a current list of judges?
It generally becomes a case-by-case thing anyways, especially as people's plans flesh out. Its more eliminating the things that we know are problematic from previous experience. Like power mimicing or body duplication or constructs, etc. Other tournaments have been brought to a halt because of those things... Or God-Cable... he literally was powerful enough to kill my tournament.
Originally posted by Oliver North
Other tournaments have been brought to a halt because of those things... Or God-Cable... he literally was powerful enough to kill my tournament.
1 O-ren Ishii
Cottonmouth
2 Vernita Green
Copperhead
3 Budd
Side Winder
4 Elle Driver
California mountain Snake
5 God-Cable
Solid Snake
6 DIGI
Yellow-bellied Snake
Originally posted by Oliver North
It generally becomes a case-by-case thing anyways, especially as people's plans flesh out. Its more eliminating the things that we know are problematic from previous experience. Like power mimicing or body duplication or constructs, etc. Other tournaments have been brought to a halt because of those things... Or God-Cable... he literally was powerful enough to kill my tournament.
Spoil sport! I thought u wanted creativity 😉 . Thought I still lost - got neutered and judge not strong enough against immortal construct and Magneto's encounter with a very early version of Cable. glare lol