Curryman's Meta-Amalgam Tourney!

With the mind/body nonsense, pretty much each time an odd character is drafted, curry and/or judges can clarify what they'd have access to. Case by case is fine. As long as we know what's up beforehand, there shouldn't be huge problems.

Though there will undoubtedly be lots of substitutions in drafting.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I'm pretty sure that I am the one to blame for a lot of those powers being banned. I know long pig also helped with the duplication thing (we both had duplicators in a match. "My thousand guys beat your thousand guys".) 😂

Maybe not all. But yeah, at least a couple. The duplicators were just the most obvious.

More specifically, a lot of these things would have been lost to history if I hadn't cataloged them in the guide to hosting tourneys. That's where curry pulled these from most recently.

So, to all tourney participants...you're welcome?

😈

By the way, now that God Cable was mentioned, how shall we handle the characters that are in the meta tier only because of their body, with pure "powers" being in the herald tier?
THIS is a can of worms and not psionics/magic thing.

psionics are hardly a can of worms; it is either a mind ability or a power, and it has to be below the herald power level. Magic is imbalanced because it is a mind-power, so any participant who doesn't have the mind of someone who knows magic (or a learned telepath) is hindering themselves, unless they have a very specific strategy. Magic basically allows you to have the powers of 2 characters, and a good body selection gives you 3. So a Man-Thing body + Dr. Strange mind + whatever power, for example, is going to be a huge advantage over someone who goes, for instance, Colossus body + Cap's mind + whatever power. The imbalance forces contestants to either have a very good idea of the strategy they want to use beforehand or select characters that maximize the number of powers they have access to. In this way, magic or learned psychic abilities are nearly obligatory. I actually think this is what curryman intended, and I'm not against it, I'm just explaining my statement a bit better.

to your powers question Charlotte, if you drafted herald level powers, that would be banned... I can't see the problem you envision? Like, to God-Cable specifically, you aren't drafting "God-Cable", you are drafting "God-Cable's" mind. If his mind is above meta, it shouldn't be allowed.

the "real" issue I see at this point is going to be more about equipment. Say someone selects Iron Man as one of their characters, how much of his tech would they have access to? Or with Strange, would having his mind also give access to all of his magical items to equip during prep? There is going to be a major issue with this that will border on "amping", and I'm personally still unclear as to the upper tier limit for the amalgam in general. If a contestant selects the right characters to give them an amalgam that is clearly high herald (and I don't think that is improbable) is that ok?

LOL, jeez, I should probably hold back a bit on the rules here, not my call, sorry curryman, please chastise me if this is not what you had intended, I'll try to be a less neurotic control-freak...

Mind has always been more about equipment. Leo and Blair were the only ones who went round it (Leo more sophisticatedly with Spiral, Blair with Moonstone, but that's just because her power source counts as equipement).
"Usual" Mind picks in the latest tourney under those rules were Starks, Reeds and the likes.

Originally posted by Digi
[b]IX.

Tournament:
High Meta Amalgam Tourney

Host:
Darthgoober

Entrant List:
Blair Wind
Devil Lance
Entity
Joey Stack
King Kandy
leonidas
long pig
MartianMind
Newjak
Roldz
Scoobless
TricksterPriest

Winner:
Scoobless

Runner-Up:
Blair Wind

Other Places (if applicable):
N/A

Winning Team:
Sasquatch
Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)
Moonstone

Links:
Discussion Thread - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447567
Finals (Scoobless vs. Blair Wind) - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=462611
Trickster vs. Martian - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=454338
Newjak vs. Roldz - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=453031

General Comments:
Having survived a failed attempt at a high meta/low herald tourney that involved 4-man teams, darthgoober lowered the character limits some and made a traditional amalgam tourney. As with other tourneys, the veterans showed up in force and had good showings. Scoobless claimed an unprecedented 4th tourney title, and Blair Wind added to his impressive tournament resume. Leonidas, another former tourney champion, made it to the semi-finals in only his second tournament ever.

The defining strategy for this tournament was Scoobless' "Godzilla" approach, simply making Sasquatch so big with Pym's powers that it was nigh-impossible for the other participants to hurt him. If nothing else, it proved to be an interesting visual for the battle.

Champion Comments:

"The Godzilla Plan"

I had a lot of fun with this tourney, I honestly wasn't taking it seriously at first, I wasn't thinking of clever ways to win or what tech I could use, the intention was to keep it simple. I figured the easiest way to amplify a character's physical strength was to use a grower (Hank Pym in this case) if his power can turn a regular man into a class 50+ then it should make an already powerful character practically invincible at this level. A later realisation, that I could use Moonstone's control of her own gravity to access heights Pym could never reach alone due to pressure on his body from his own weight, meant that I could take my finals match one step farther.

lol, I had Bigfoot (named by Digimark btw) destroy 3 of the 4 battlefields he fought on -

Grand Canyon - Destroyed
Death Star - Destroyed
Earth - Destroyed

The only reason the arctic battlefield survived was because I opted to use Pym's shrinking powers for the majority of that match.

Overwhelming offensive power + untouchable defense = tourney win

😎

An amusing fact, this was the second "Iron Man Level" tournament, and both times Iron Man has failed to take a win (last time by me in a final match against BW, this time by BW in a final match against me)

The lesson - Don't select the character that embodies the power cap for the tourney ... you'll only lose.

Oh yeah, another great thing about this tourney was that I got to post pics like these to give people an idea how the matches might go:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7660/comparison3vc2.jpg

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/4057/bigfootvsigwav6.jpg

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3237/amalgam1ar8.jpg

😄

Originally posted by Oliver North
I did, and you guys showed me creativity can't be the most important consideration in a tournament. I gave you way more than enough rope to hang me with.

Creativity has always worked against me.

Always.

uhuh

Originally posted by Oliver North
Say someone selects Iron Man as one of their characters, how much of his tech would they have access to? Or with Strange, would having his mind also give access to all of his magical items to equip during prep?

You only get the equipment of the character you've chosen for mind.

Originally posted by Oliver North
There is going to be a major issue with this that will border on "amping", and I'm personally still unclear as to the upper tier limit for the amalgam in general. If a contestant selects the right characters to give them an amalgam that is clearly high herald (and I don't think that is improbable) is that ok?

The restriction on power amping is specifically getting the powers of say Fabian Cortez and then boosting the hell out of Man-Thing's body and some magician's mind.

Originally posted by The People of KMC
What about OHKOs?

There's a difference between a death-ability and a powerful attack, and I hope people grasp that difference. If not, rely on hard-ass judges to set you straight 🙂

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Btw, do we have a current list of judges?

The Honourable Delph
The Amiable Jake
The French Bentley
The Spicy Curryman
The Eternal Omega Vision
The Irangate Oliver North

Originally posted by Digi
Be prepared to make some in-match rulings though.

Originally posted by Digi
Pretty much each time an odd character is drafted, curry and/or judges can clarify what they'd have access to.
Though there will undoubtedly be lots of substitutions in drafting.

Originally posted by Oliver North
It generally becomes a case-by-case thing anyways, especially as people's plans flesh out.

Originally posted by Oliver North
to your powers question Charlotte, if you drafted herald level powers, that would be banned... I can't see the problem you envision? Like, to God-Cable specifically, you aren't drafting "God-Cable", you are drafting "God-Cable's" mind. If his mind is above meta, it shouldn't be allowed.

the "real" issue I see at this point is going to be more about equipment. Say someone selects Iron Man as one of their characters, how much of his tech would they have access to? Or with Strange, would having his mind also give access to all of his magical items to equip during prep? There is going to be a major issue with this that will border on "amping", and I'm personally still unclear as to the upper tier limit for the amalgam in general. If a contestant selects the right characters to give them an amalgam that is clearly high herald (and I don't think that is improbable) is that ok?

LOL, jeez, I should probably hold back a bit on the rules here, not my call, sorry curryman, please chastise me if this is not what you had intended, I'll try to be a less neurotic control-freak...

And yes in regards to upper limit of amalgam? Is there a limit. I can think of a few with the right combination that can be pretty much indestructible or reality manipulator. With that they can pretty much make things up in battle.

You only get the equipment of the character you've chosen for mind.

The "Mind" character supplies all of the mental characteristics(things like fighting skills, technical knowledge, and any learned abilities like sorcery, Dr. Druids mental powers, Iron Fist's powers or any other powers that come strictly from training) and also the "Mind" character is the source for any potential equipment(like Iron Man's armor, or Cable's weapons) but again nothing else. Keep in mind that only psi abilities that are the result of training fall into this category, the abilities of mutant psi’s and the like fall under the heading of the “Powers” category.

The "Powers" character contributes any powers that don't fit into either of the above categories(things like Firestar’s, Psylock’s, or Invisible Woman’s powers). The character has full use of anything that falls into the power category though, even if the "Mind" character has no experience with it so to speak.

For instance….
You draft She Hulk for your “Body” character, Witchblade as your “Mind” character, and Invisible Woman as your “Powers you’d have a character with She Hulk’s strength/durability/etc., Witchblade’s fighting abilities and skills(along with full access to the powers of the Witchblade itself), and all the powers of IW added to that.

So if u pick Thor as mind u'd get mjolnir as well? Aight! but no equipment on the body even if its integrated directly on it. - ie Darkness, witch blade or taboo.

Originally posted by Ambient
So if u pick Thor as mind u'd get mjolnir as well? Aight! but no equipment on the body even if its integrated directly on it. - ie Darkness, witch blade or taboo.

If it's a part of the body then it would be allowed, but it needs to fully be a part of the body.

If you drafted Thor's body then you wouldn't get mjolnir.

You would however get Engineers metallic skin (since the nanites were swapped with her blood), Metallo's kryptonite stuff, Grim Reaper's handscythe, etc

For equipments. Does it only pertains to regular one that's carried normally like say WW wristlets or can I also get her other weapons?

Originally posted by Ambient
For equipments. Does it only pertains to regular one that's carried normally like say WW wristlets or can I also get her other weapons?

You get standard, or whatever you choose to grab in the 30 seconds that you can.

hold up..... (i have a day off tomorrow so i caught this before bed)

Originally posted by curryman
- The amalgamated characters' resources have been conveniently pooled

Originally posted by psycho gundam
hold up..... (i have a day off tomorrow so i caught this before bed)

this was stated, but maybe things were changed?

Yeah, I realize now that it would be too much.

I will PM and ask if Bada can change it into only having the Mind character's resources.

Go ahead and count me in. I'll have half a dozen questions via PM soon, but can't really talk until Monday or Tuesday.

Originally posted by curryman
Step 1; Drafting
Choose any 3 characters from High Meta or below.

- No going past 99% of light-speed

Speed cap is Northstar/Aurora, yes. MAYBE Jay Garrick/Max Mercury/other low tier Speed Force users.

Yes, I know which meta-class characters can move at those speeds. All I'm saying is that unless both contestants have a speedster on their team, then a blitz at 99% the speed of light will be problematic to avoid. Not impossible, but [potentially] quite difficult.