Citizen Steel Vs Kurse

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah. The entire JSA backing Superman and an alt U Superman. Then Steel took his suit off which drastically lessens his powers. And even then let's say the full suit puts him at 0%. He only took the top half off, so he was still held back by the bottom half. At 50% of his power he took down Gog.

Citizen Steel toppled Gog by going for his ankle while the JSA tried to pull him down. And it was after Atom reduced his body to a mess, I even remember his arm barely holding out IIRC. Two completely different methods of approach on a body in completely different conditions.

There was a reason why Superman was able to casually rip off his head. Context is important. Also, there's a big difference in between pushing over a building and taking one down by removing a support beam. Steel is nowhere near as strong as Kurse from what I remember.

Edit: Here's the scene for people to decide for themselves:

Steel had minimal showings, but they're more impressive than Kurse's IMO

Originally posted by Cogito
Steel had minimal showings, but they're more impressive than Kurse's IMO

Maybe I'm forgetting some but the Gog scene had context.

It's like posting a scan of Masteron potentially killing Thanos with the IG and ignoring the fact that he was limiting himself. It's cool but it's important to know the circumstances.

Kurse beat Thor with his belt of power and is certainly more than twice as strong as Thor. Its his iron weakness which would be his problem here. Steel is certainly strong enough to hurt him. Honestly I would put KC superman as at least 1.5 or 1.75 times stronger than Thor and Steel was FAR stronger than him at his suited form much less his non-suited form.

What?

Superman would beat Steel senseless.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Maybe I'm forgetting some but the Gog scene had context.

It's like posting a scan of Masteron potentially killing Thanos with the IG and ignoring the fact that he was limiting himself. It's cool but it's important to know the circumstances.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kurse beat Thor with his belt of power and is certainly more than twice as strong as Thor. Its his iron weakness which would be his problem here. Steel is certainly strong enough to hurt him. Honestly I would put KC superman as at least 1.5 or 1.75 times stronger than Thor and Steel was FAR stronger than him at his suited form much less his non-suited form.

Citizen Steel was far stronger then Superman? Really?

Then I have to re-read the series and reevaluate his strength. I would have said he was below Superman but due to his composition was much harder to budge. If that's the case then this is a much closer fight then I thought.

Originally posted by curryman
What?

Superman would beat Steel senseless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No he wouldn't. Not Johns version at least.

Gog probably wouldn't move the blob either...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Steel also made herald Gog his ***** when he KOED KC superman and Amazin Man copying his staff's power at the same time. He literally no sold his punch.

Send an issue number my way through PMs. I'll re-read it and post scans when I get back from work.

I want to see how Magog took out Superman, I remember re-reading his series and I honestly didn't think he was even close to Wonder Woman's level.

Originally posted by curryman
Gog probably wouldn't move the blob either...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Citizen Steel was far stronger then Superman? Really?

Then I have to re-read the series and reevaluate his strength. I would have said he was below Superman but due to his composition was much harder to budge. If that's the case then this is a much closer fight then I thought.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Grey hulk did that. Citizen steel doesn't manipulate gravity like Blob. Its just a standard no selling tactic, superman has done that many times.

I know, just saying.

Steel's hard to move and he hit Gog.

Ok.

Kurse beats him.

Man, seems like Superman after his initial appearance was bitched out if someone like Magog was portrayed as anywhere near him in terms of raw strength imho. I remember not being impressed at all by him in his solo series.

That's the problem of having such an uber team. Alan Scott and Thunderbolt alone should end almost anything but Black Adam has raped them both with punches. Pisses me off man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, he was. Just compare Gog vs KC Superman/Amazing Man and Gog vs Steel and you would see just how ****ing strong he was.

Alright, so I'm guessing this was JSA All Stars? I'll pick it up later.

I'm going to read everyone of his appearances when I have time, I like the character. Although I was always remembered thinking he was Mid tier strength wise, I don't know.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Send an issue number my way through PMs. I'll re-read it and post scans when I get back from work.

I want to see how Magog took out Superman, I remember re-reading his series and I honestly didn't think he was even close to Wonder Woman's level.

Gog vs KC Superman/Amazin man

http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/?action=view&current=jsagog_jsa7.jpg
http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/?action=view&current=jsagog_jsa8.jpg
http://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/?action=view&current=jsagog_jsa9.jpg

KTFO both and choking them like a ***** with one hand.

Gog vs Steel

http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/?action=view&current=cs1.jpg
http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/?action=view&current=cs2.jpg

Also you made it look like downing Gog was no feat at all. Look who is trying to drop him here?

http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/?action=view&current=cs3.jpg

Not even the combined efforts of the entire JSA (inc. KC Superman, Alan Scott, Obsidian, Thunderbolt, etc) were able to come close to doing that.

He's much stronger than KC Superman, much less superman.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Man, seems like Superman after his initial appearance was bitched out if someone like Magog was portrayed as anywhere near him in terms of raw strength imho. I remember not being impressed at all by him in his solo series.

That's the problem of having such an uber team. Alan Scott and Thunderbolt alone should end almost anything but Black Adam has raped them both with punches. Pisses me off man.

Yeah, Adam was like Goldberg in Johns' run. Alan Scott, Thunderbolt, King Marvel all jobbed to him. Honestly the guy never got a single low showing under Johns and never got KOED. Its like Johns has a crush on sinestro, hal, barry and Adam.

Originally posted by curryman
I know, just saying.

Steel's hard to move and he hit Gog.

Ok.

Kurse beats him.

I've no problem with Kurse beating Steel./shrug

Question about Kurse's vulnerability to iron...

Does it have to be pure iron to weaken him, or can an iron-containing alloy(steel, for example) weaken him?

Citizen steel was a great character. I miss the old JSA comics. I think Steel wins unless Kurse has more feats than I know about.