i'm with rage. i never thought cs was in that tier strength wise. even after looking at the scans above i'm not sure where he falls. i don't think anyone is saying cs is more than 2x thor's strength so that means he is well short of kurse. what i'm not sure about is the affect the armor would have on kurse. weird match, but on the surface, without going no limits, i'd say kurse would handle him pretty easily unless the metal plays a part and acts as a weakness.
Kurse's weakness is iron, not metal overall. He'd wreck Citizen Steel and pretty much the whole JSA easily if they fight as ineffectively as they did against the herald.
Seriously, what the f*ck is wrong with Alan Scott? Does he have Alzheimer? Stop trying to tackle superhuman beings when you have a Power Ring. Makes me facepalm every time. Also re-read the fight and Wild Cat with his son had about as much effect as Kingdom Come Superman in restraining Gog:
http://s272.photobucket.com/user/galan007_pics/media/jsagog_jsa14.jpg.html
http://s272.photobucket.com/user/galan007_pics/media/jsagog_jsa15.jpg.html
Made me lol. F*cking teams and the jobbing effect.
Is Stormbreaker made out of Uru? Can anyone recall? Weird question but it has a completely different look and composition from Mjolnir and other Uru weapons.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Kurse's weakness is iron, not metal overall. He'd wreck Citizen Steel and pretty much the whole JSA easily if they fight as ineffectively as they did against the herald.Seriously, what the f*ck is wrong with Alan Scott? Does he have Alzheimer? Stop trying to tackle superhuman beings when you have a Power Ring. Makes me facepalm every time. Also re-read the fight and Wild Cat with his son had about as much effect as Kingdom Come Superman in restraining Gog. Lol.
Is Stormbreaker made out of Uru? Can anyone recall? Weird question but it has a completely different look and composition from Mjolnir and other Uru weapons.
Yes it is, made out of the same molded as Mojlnir, that why Odin called Stormbreaker the brother to Mojlnir
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This effected him extremely because they were able to easily decapitate him:
Again, it is impressive. But posting a feat that Thor can easily accomplish with a hammer shot is not note worthy in a thread with Kurse.
He was decapitated by Gog's staff -- his own power. There's no reason to believe Atom's blast had anything to do with it, especially given how panels beforehand he laughed it off. I really don't know why you're blowing up Atom's feat so much.
Originally posted by Cogito
He was decapitated by Gog's staff -- his own power. There's no reason to believe Atom's blast had anything to do with it, especially given how panels beforehand he laughed it off. I really don't know why you're blowing up Atom's feat so much.
Was it stated somewhere that Gog has some kind of weakness to his herald?
Because it's the only thing that makes sense. The whole JSA can't bring him down and he laughs them off.
Then Steel easily topples him, Starman easily holds him down, and Magog/Superman easily decapitate him.
If it was only Steel that had a good showing? Then I wouldn't say anything, it'd be just an abnormally high showing but when others do that well all of a sudden? You can't just ignore that kind of evidence.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSo if CS is stronger than Superman at half power, then it means he's more than twice as powerful as Superman at 100% power, right? So unless this is the super-duper Kurse that Beyonder amped multiple times, then CS should be able to contend with him, no? I mean, the consensus here is that Superman is no less than equal to Thor strength-wise-- so if CS is more than 2x > Supes, it means he's more than 2x > Thor by proxy.
Yup. Superman is just a weak fob. 😉But honestly, I don't believe that Citizen Steel would ever beat mainstream Superman in a fight, suit or not. But that's just my gut feeling, don't take it as gospel.
I'm not going to ignore evidence just because it might be uncomfortable or inconvenient
This isn't my opinion, btw. I'm just using your own logic. 😉
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusLol, where was it stated that Atom's attack weakened Gog?
Was it stated somewhere that Gog has some kind of weakness to his herald?
These are the facts: the JSA attacked Gog and it did nothing. Atom attacked Gog and it did nothing. CS attacked Gog and floored him. Am I supposed to believe that every other attack prior to CS's strikes in some way 'softened up' Gog enough for CS to down him, despite absolutely nothing on panel being indicative of such(literally no statements or depictions alluded to this)..? Sorry, but no.
I believe Johns merely used that scene as a platform through which to depict how phucking powerful CS is-- it's certainly 'in character' for Johns to give random characters HUGE feats, after all.
Originally posted by Galan007
So if CS is stronger than Superman at half power, then it means he's more than twice as powerful as Superman at 100% power, right? So unless this is the super-duper Kurse that Beyonder amped multiple times, then CS should be able to contend with him, no? I mean, the consensus here is that Superman is no less than equal to Thor strength-wise-- so if CS is more than 2x > Supes, it means he's more than 2x > Thor by proxy.This isn't my opinion, btw. I'm just using your own logic. 😉
Lol, where was it stated that Atom's attack weakened Gog?
These are the facts: the JSA attacked Gog and it did nothing. Atom attacked Gog and it did nothing. CS attacked Gog and floored him. Am I supposed to believe that every other attack prior to CS's strikes in some way 'softened up' Gog enough for CS to down him, despite absolutely nothing on panel being indicative of such(literally no statements or depictions alluded to this)..? Sorry, but no.
I believe Johns merely used that scene as a platform through which to depict how phucking powerful CS is-- it's certainly 'in character' for Johns to give random characters HUGE feats, after all.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17CS has two really good feats: tooling the Gogs. Other then those instances, he wasn't really centered on enough to gather uber feats.
That's like his best feat though ain't it?
He doesn't belong in the big leagues. At least I don't think he does. I could be wrong.
What other notable feats has he done? Supes, Thor, Orion, Hulk, level type o'shiet... Big boy stuff.
Either way, I have no problem with Kurse being more powerful than CS. The attempts to lowball the feats CS does have, however, borders on ludicrous.
Originally posted by Galan007
So if CS is stronger than Superman at half power, then it means he's more than twice as powerful as Superman at 100% power, right? So unless this is the super-duper Kurse that Beyonder amped multiple times, then CS should be able to contend with him, no? I mean, the consensus here is that Superman is no less than equal to Thor strength-wise-- so if CS is more than 2x > Supes, it means he's more than 2x > Thor by proxy.This isn't my opinion, btw. I'm just using your own logic. 😉
I don't know that Citizen Steel is stronger then mainstream Superman, there's a reason why ABC logic is frowned upon but whatever.
I don't want Citizen Steel to be operating at 50% power, I'm just telling you what was printed in the comic, you can use that to reach any conclusions that you want.
No, I think Kurse would beat the f*cking shit out of him. I also think Kurse would break Kingdom Come Superman in half if getting slammed into a car door then being zapped can knock him out or Kara can take him for a loop with a heat vision blast.
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, where was it stated that Atom's attack weakened Gog?These are the facts: the JSA attacked Gog and it did nothing. Atom attacked Gog and it did nothing. CS attacked Gog and floored him. Am I supposed to believe that every other attack prior to CS's strikes in some way 'softened up' Gog enough for CS to down him, despite absolutely nothing on panel being indicative of such(literally no statements or depictions alluded to this)..? Sorry, but no.
I believe Johns merely used that scene as a platform through which to depict how phucking powerful CS is-- it's certainly 'in character' for Johns to give random characters HUGE feats, after all.
I didn't say it weakened him, I said it damaged his artificial body, which it did:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16107038/Justice_Society_of_America_022-05.jpg.html
No, that's not what I said. The explosion seemed to negatively affect him, that's the only explanation I can come up with.
Let me put it this way: If Citizen Steel had just knocked over Gog then it would be an uber feat, no questions asked. But then the JSA was able to easily hold him down and decapitate him. There was a reason for that change in performance, I'm attributing it to Atom, otherwise: COMICS!
Originally posted by Galan007
CS has two really good feats: tooling the Gogs. Other then those instances, he wasn't really centered on enough to gather uber feats.Either way, I have no problem with Kurse being more powerful than CS. The attempts to lowball the feats CS does have, however, borders on ludicrous.
I'm sorry, I blame Abhil.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't know that Citizen Steel is stronger then mainstream Superman, there's a reason why ABC logic is frowned upon but whatever.I don't want Citizen Steel to be operating at 50% power, I'm just telling you what was printed in the comic, you can use that to reach any conclusions that you want.
No, I think Kurse would beat the f*cking shit out of him. I also think Kurse would break Kingdom Come Superman in half if getting slammed into a car door then being zapped can knock him out or Kara can take him for a loop with a heat vision blast.
I didn't say it weakened him, I said it damaged his artificial body, which it did:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16107038/Justice_Society_of_America_022-05.jpg.htmlNo, that's not what I said. The explosion seemed to negatively affect him, that's the only explanation I can come up with.
Let me put it this way: If Citizen Steel had just knocked over Gog then it would be an uber feat, no questions asked. But then the JSA was able to easily hold him down and decapitate him. There was a reason for that change in performance, I'm attributing it to Atom, otherwise: COMICS!
Like he did to Thor in Thor 486, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like he did to Thor in Thor 486, right?
Yeah, Kurse is such a pussy, he was only beating up this guy:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ShattersCelestialArmor1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ShattersCelestialArmor2.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/AmpedThanosdefeated6.jpg.html
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/AmpedThanosdefeated7.jpg.html
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/AmpedThanosdefeated8.jpg.html
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/AmpedThanosdefeated9.jpg.html
I'm sorry Kingdom Come Superman turned into an ineffective pussy, I really did love that comic and interpretation of Superman.
Originally posted by Galan007
I know exactly what I'm talking about, friend-- my thorough post above should have certainly been indicative of such. Don't talk crap just to talk crap. It's unbecoming.Additionally, I never once claimed that bending CS's armor is a feat beyond the ability of any herald, so I don't know where your delusional rant even stems from..? All I am saying is that CS casually bending his armor is an impressive feat, all things considered. I mean, if it takes a force of nearly 6,000,000lbs for him to simply make a fist, just imagine the forces he has to generate while actively fighting-- here's a visual example:
Tens of millions as a conservative estimate. And remember: he doesn't have to exert himself in the slightest to bend the armor-- all he does is move like he normally would.
At any rate, the force CS exerts against his armor to merely dampen his strength enough to not crush everything he touches is impressive whether you'd like to admit it or not.
Please, 280000 pounds per square inch isn't even worth mentioning when discussing the physical capabilities of high herald bricks. You have provided other feats, like the showing against Gog which, despite the disputing that some of the Kurse-supporters are raising, is a fairly decent showing in itself but lets not pretend that resisting a billion pascals of pressure/tensile stress is an impressive feat w.r.t high herald strongmen.
Plus, your selective preference of what counts in your scans and what doesn't is also damning, seeing how you dismiss the notion that the alloy skin should restrict CS's strength by at least half.
