Silver Surfer vs Kyle Rayner · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by abhilegend
Green Lantern: New Guardian, isn't it? That's totally insane. Do you have the scans of Kyle absorbing that black hole which was absorbing the sun from GL 167 or something?

You mean when he absorbed The Blind? Here's that:

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Don't you mean peers ?

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quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by carver9
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Whats funny is Abhi conveniently refers to these feats as space cheese when its other characters but uses them as the crux of his debate whenever he gets the chance. Self serving debating. Inconsistent.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
You mean when he absorbed The Blind? Here's that:

Yeah, that. Kyle is THE King of cosmic feats of heralds. In just 11 years no less since Johns neutered him and GLs.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that. Kyle is THE King of cosmic feats of heralds. In just 11 years no less since Johns neutered him and GLs.

You can't pick and choose what counts and what does not.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whats funny is Abhi conveniently refers to these feats as space cheese when its other characters but uses them as the crux of his debate whenever he gets the chance. Self serving debating. Inconsistent.

Wow...I JUST noticed that. Contradictory to its finest.

MF DELPH aka Rakim Illa

Originally posted by abhilegend
He did that by destroying Mu's power source, not beating him directly. He was getting his ass kicked before that. Nice try though.

He had given half of his power to a scientist in order for said scientist to go up to Mu's ship and cut him off the power source. At half power Surfer stood up to Mu, a being that one-shotted Thor, Hulk, Namor, and Colossus, and was said to be in the lower range of the weight class of Galactus. Surfer was being beaten (at half power), but lasted long enough for the scientist to complete the task Surfer had given him, then when he (Surfer) was restored to full power he had Mu on his knees.

That's the full context.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by MF DELPH
He had given half of his power to a scientist in order for said scientist to go up to Mu's ship and cut him off the power source. At half power Surfer stood up to Mu, a being that one-shotted Thor, Hulk, Namor, and Colossus, and was said to be in the lower range of the weight class of Galactus. Surfer was being beaten (at half power), but lasted long enough for the scientist to complete the task Surfer had given him, then when he (Surfer) was restored to full power he had Mu on his knees.
That's the full context.

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He always leaves out crucial details.

operator616 Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Green Lantern: New Guardian, isn't it? That's totally insane. Do you have the scans of Kyle absorbing that black hole which was absorbing the sun from GL 167 or something?

no, it's from green lantern new corps issue 2.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by Galan007
I've always found this feat to be one of Kyle's best as well...

Just for reference, his construct was sufficient to:
a.) Fully encase the moon of earth 2.
b.) Imprison the entire CSA for [b]48 hours. ie. Not even the infinity-lifting Ultraman, or Owlman(a guy arguably smarter than Batman himself) were able to breach the construct.
You might also note that the CSA's version of Green Lantern had his ring analyze Kyle's construct... The ring stated that it was "impenetrable." [/B]

Beat me to it. Sick feat.

Though I think Surfer still wins.

Oh and Hal > Kyle..

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abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by MF DELPH
He had given half of his power to a scientist in order for said scientist to go up to Mu's ship and cut him off the power source. At half power Surfer stood up to Mu, a being that one-shotted Thor, Hulk, Namor, and Colossus, and was said to be in the lower range of the weight class of Galactus. Surfer was being beaten (at half power), but lasted long enough for the scientist to complete the task Surfer had given him, then when he (Surfer) was restored to full power he had Mu on his knees.
That's the full context.

Read Enslavers again. Here is the scans of the whole fight.

Mu beat Thor by absorbing his power which surfer was immune to somehow despite getting his energy absorbed every few issues back then. He was at half power and was getting his ass kicked and then he got his full power back and destroyed the ship containing his power and that's when he was able to affect him. Nice showing for Surfer's persistence but its not a showing of power.Thing survived hits from Champion and continue to fight while Surfer was in medication after a fight with champion. Doesn't mean much in terms of power.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by operator616
no, it's from green lantern new corps issue 2.

Yeah, that comic. Forgot its name.

Stoic Avenger

We should all low-ball the shit out of any solid feat to make a good case for the guy that we want to win. OK let's begin... Oh wait

MF DELPH aka Rakim Illa

You realize your scans and your post simply reiterate what I already said, right?

I admit my recollection of the comic isn't perfect as it's been a few years since I've read it, but I specifically remember Mu lulzing at Wolverine trying to slash him and swatting him away, casually laying out She Hulk, Rogue, Colossus, Thing, and I think Power Man with a single backhanded pimp slap that laid the entire group out in one swipe, and then laughing off a full on assault from Hulk and Namor before sonning them as well. Surfer at half power lasted against that same cat's attacks long enough for his other half to engage in an assault on Mu's ship and bring down it's shielding. Then Surfer cut him off from the ship and sonned him. I even said as much in my previous post.

I also disagree that it's not a showing of power. In that sequence Surfer showed himself to be able to endow another being with half of his power. That half Surfer powered Scientist was able to take on Mu's troops, the same troops that were able to take down and capture all of Earth's heroes and villains (among them Dr. Doom, who was depicted being captured and in chains), while Surfer at half power was resilient enough to survive a beating from a being that had the combined power of billions upon billions of aliens and the combined might of Earth's heroes and villains.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that. Kyle is THE King of cosmic feats of heralds. In just 11 years no less since Johns neutered him and GLs.

This heading for a space cheese feat war?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This heading for a space cheese feat war?

But when its used for another character its just space cheese which doesn't count.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by quanchi112
But when its used for another character its just space cheese which doesn't count.

Lol..

It's troo.. He does always refute space cheese feats...

carver9 Senior Member

No, he pick and choose when space cheese is usable or not. ABHI still my buddy though.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Lord Feron
According to what superman said and what was shown on panel, kinda looks like kyle just repaired some of the damage parts and held the existing structure together.

There's further context that you might be missing here, Kyle was helping the Mechanics who were also actively rebuilding the Heaven's Ladder structure along with him. Granted, it's easy to miss since the Mechanics were globules of blue energy that looked like they were just floating around doing nothing. But they were indeed powerful, and had actually repaired the Heaven's Ladder structure earlier in the comic on their own.

It's still a gargantuan feat, even while disregarding the possibility that Kyle was tapping into the Ion Power stored in the Sun subconsciously (based on the publishing date).

Originally posted by Galan007
You mean when he absorbed The Blind? Here's that:

Kyle turned the Blind's power onto itself and absorbed residual energy, not the entire Blind itself. Again, a great feat but sometimes certain details fall through the cracks:

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by Stoic
We should all low-ball the shit out of any solid feat to make a good case for the guy that we want to win. OK let's begin... Oh wait

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