Originally posted by DiesldudeThe thread maker clarified Superman would be operating at sundipped levels.
I'm going to have to disagree with PR.
The OP was pretty fair with the amps. If we go with your reasoning I feel that the hulk (Not WBH) if starting from base levels is already high herald at base has a greater amp. He didn't limit either the hulk or superman, the hulk if made angry enough and lets loose will reach wbh levels under the conditions of this thread. Basically this is no holds barred with massive amps.
hulk gets an outside device to get more angry than humanly possible and will keep increasing, potentially unlimited intensity of anger and strength, while if superman isn't given a sundip is capped, will heal superman from any injuries and restore his offensive attributes attributes but won't increase his dynamic strength levels, just have him operate at 100% at all times. This is an unfair advantage for the hulk who wasn't capped nor was it stated that hulk can't enter wbh mode which would put a cap on him.I also assumed that we were going by pre flashpoint, because 1) we dont know how dcnu will operate with a Sun amp/sundip
2) op clarified that it was a sundippd amp, since dcnu superman doesnt have a sundip feat further points towards pre flashpoint superman.if no sundip, superman doesn't knock out hulk, its an eternal stalemate.
with sundip, superman wins.
Originally posted by carver9so you are limiting the hulk. The longer the match goes, superman will continue to grow stronger while the hulk although powerful will remain below wbh levels.
I disagree. Don't think WBH is usable here. Banner had control of his power...enough control that he was able to create someone as powerful as WBH. Savage Hulk doesn't have that luxury. He will be hell of powerful but not WB powerful imo.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Trust me. Carver is not limiting the Hulk on purpose, how can you even say that? Carver and limiting/lowballing Hulk is a oxymoron. It is just the way the character is. He has been brainless/blind rage/colera lots of times and he never blew up planets with the shockwave of his fists.
no you got it wrong about limiting the hulk, he believes that the hulk doesn't need to go into wbh mode to win this. But you are right on about everything else in this post. Lol
Originally posted by Diesldude
so you are limiting the hulk. The longer the match goes, superman will continue to grow stronger while the hulk although powerful will remain below wbh levels.
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I'm not limiting at all. Thats...the...first...time...someone said that about me and Hulk. Just look at Mindless Hulk; rage personified, can't get any clearer than that but he did not go World Breaker. Bruce control is the reason why World Breaker even exist. With more control comes more power. Hell, Bruce went World Breaker while having a smile on his face (which means complete control). If Banner isn't in the seat kicking it, then WBH does not exist.
Originally posted by Diesldude
no you got it wrong about limiting the hulk, he believes that the hulk doesn't need to go into wbh mode to win this. But you are right on about everything else in this post. Lol
😂 is this what its about.? We use current characters and DCNU is the new Superman and he would get annihilated by Hulk. I admit, if it was pre reboot, then its a different story.
Originally posted by carver9. Can hulk surpass wbh levels without going into wbh mode?
😕I'm not limiting at all. Thats...the...first...time...someone said that about me and Hulk. Just look at Mindless Hulk; rage personified, can't get any clearer than that but he did not go World Breaker. Bruce control is the reason why World Breaker even exist. With more control comes more power. Hell, Bruce went World Breaker while having a smile on his face (which means complete control). If Banner isn't in the seat kicking it, then WBH does not exist.
That question doesn't make sense. We know his strength would continue to increase while in World Breaker mode but in order to answer your question, we would have to see a limitation on his power and that was never displayed in HOTM. I don't think a limitation was shown for Sundip Supes as well so the only thing we can base a winner of a fight between the two is stamina. Will Superman sundip fade away before Hulk rage would? I don't know.
Originally posted by -Pr-We go through the trouble of character rulings and such, but people still don't get. Maybe it's time we go back to 2008 guidelines and hand out warnings and bans instead of trying... mmm
1. N52 Superman is easily as powerful as Preboot. Talking like he'll get slaughtered here is lunacy.
2. We have strict rules for Hulk and how he's used in threads. The reason for this is that the second WBH comes in to it, the thread becomes pointless.
And here's the Hulk ruling, in the Character Ruling thread, pinned near the top of the CBvF 😐
Originally posted by -Pr-
[b]Character Ruling Thread:All information subject to change. Please see the discussion thread here for more information.
Hulk: "Calm Hulk" is a misnomer. In the case of almost any Hulk, he starts off VS battles at (like most characters) his average level. So, say... Savage Hulk doesn't start off class 85, and people can't argue things like "Maybe if they knock him out before he can get too strong, they can win". As far as his limit goes, yes, while there's the whole "madder = stronger" aspect of the character, that doesn't mean you get to apply a no-limits fallacy to it. His feats are more than enough ammunition to use to win debates.
Hulk's incarnations: If a Hulk is stated as amped, then he's amped. WWH-arc Hulk can, more often than not, accomplish something Savage did, WBH can accomplish something WWH-arc Hulk did, and so on. From now on, people using "WWH" as a term to describe Hulk, will have the Hulk in their thread restricted to using feats from the arc. WWH is not the character description. Green Scar, WBH, or HOTM would be more fitting.[/B]