The writer created an in story power scale measurement that was actually quantifiably measurable and people want to classify that as hyperbole? That is absolutely nonsensical and completely counter-intuitive.. Merely invoking the term hyperbole is no justification for obtusely ignoring overtly clear on panel depiction. facepalm.
Pak really must have struck at the heart of the overly impassioned anti-hulk crowd because the extent to which they are willing to shun reasonability and common sense is hilarious...
Anyhow Hulk wins the first fight and gets entirely stomped into oblivion in the second.
Originally posted by curryman
It wasn't clear because you were talking about something that was so far "beyond" herald and the earthly heroes, and I just couldn't believe you were actually talking about Onslaught.Do you want to compare the line-up Onslaught fought vs what Prime fought?
My point was not that Onslaught weakened himself, but that he wanted the Hulk to destroy his physical body. I don't dispute the fact that Hulk can beat Onslaught's physical form. Seems like it didn't take more than a nuke anyways. And let's not forget the fact that the Hulk needed help;
Read what Reed said;
We've been fools. He's been evolving all along...we've left ourselves with no way to attack him, etc
Does this sound like a defeat? Onslaught was still going.
Why not? Onslaught certainly was far above Herald level, especially near the end there when he was cutting loose. Afterall, he began tapping into the power of Franklin Richards and Nate Grey:
You can compare them if you want, no skin of my back. Where does it say that Onslaught wanted Hulk to destroy his physical body? Onslaught actually went out of his way to protect himself, it was just a happy coincidence, for Onslaught that is.
Yes, he needed help becoming truly angry, but that's not a problem he has currently.
Did I say Onslaught was defeated? Still having trouble sticking to what I actually said? A nuke? Not sure if serious, are we lowballing now? In that case, Hulk breaks Prime because he's a lot stronger then Superboy. Please let's not be disingenuous and try to demean either side.
Originally posted by curryman
Excuse me, but you mentioned "beyond" Prime's strength and then you edited it out as I was posting 😐You can leave your reply in a "Superboy Prime vs Hulk" thread and see how it turns out.
Prove it. 🙂
But seriously, how does that change anything? I still only discussed strength, why is that hard to understand? And if you're interested in the reason: I didn't want to become a HoTM Hulk thread but yes, that incarnation was beyond Prime -non amped Guardian- in strength.
What do you mean? I already made it clear that I think Prime wins against almost all incarnations even if he isn't stronger. I'm not interested in debating who wins in a fight, but who wins in a contest of strength. Like I said, is that what you want, or are you only replying because you feel like getting the last word in?
Originally posted by curryman
You attribute it mostly to Pak because he's the only writer who seems to think that Hulk is more powerful than the other heralds. The other writers portray him as an equal and/or lesser.And anyone who is around the same level as Thor, Surfer, etc (a very generous statement), does not stand a snowball's chance in hell against Prime! When going off nothing but Pak's garbage you can barely make a case against Surfer or Thor's better runs. The idea that he is above Prime would require a far, far greater push than that.
Pak is most definitely not the only writer who considers Hulk stronger then other Heralds. And even if he was, he isn't anymore not that it doesn't matter. Pak's writing has had such an influence that it's made a noticeably difference on Hulk's standing. Joe Fixit a few months ago owned the entire West Coast without even ramping up his anger, most noticeably Wonder Man.
You're overdoing it, Thor and Surfer can be conceivably beat Prime, he's not Exitar. Besides, I never argued out who would win in a vs. fight, but in regards to strength. How many times do I have to explain that to you?
Lol? Because Thor and Surfer have high ends feats that are crazy, that somehow in turn means Hulk stands a lesser chance against Prime?
Originally posted by curryman
You're ignoring a ton of stuff by only trying to focus on high-end feats, and what's just sad is that you can't even muster up any particularly high-end feats at all! You act like the "hulk r so strong" hyperbole like 150 hercs is something new, or impressive, but truth is that we've been served that kind of pointless hyperbole time and time again. When push comes to shove Hulk needs his opponents to fight like retards and even then he's nothing pulling a lot of wins against the big guys, is he? Look at his ****ing opponents from HOTM!And your VS mentality is the very reason why you see nothing but Hulk >>>>>> Onslaught when the context told a very, very different story.
I've seen 'em all.
Why are you acting as if I said a regular, every day Savage Hulk is stronger then Prime? Can you please start discussing the actual points I bring up instead of strawmanning?
That's just a bunch of lowballing butthurt trying to dismiss and demean feats that aren't to your liking. Do you want a list in chronological or alphabetical order where Hulk is above Heralds in strength?
When did I say that "Hulk >>>>>>>> Onslaught"? So far you've done nothing but strawman, completely ignoring any meaningful points I make, going on tangents, and arguing shit that I haven't even said. If this is a preview of what the rest of this discussion will be like, then just tell me now so I won't waste any more time. I need to save my energy for the Abhils and Carvers of the world, at least they're funny.
Originally posted by carver9no. hulk inadvertently helped him shed his outer shell, however it in no way makes the feat less difficult cause onslaught apparently couldn't do it himself, nor could the assemblage of the heroes present en masse
It was never stated that Onslaught let Hulk physically crush him. A scan doesn't exist that states this. Its a rumor to downplay Hulk ft.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusits nice that your trying to base shit off strength ok so wat point is prime rapes hulk in a fight. Point is prime took a guardian exploding in his face Thor would die, Ss would die it did kill DD. Prime durability is FAR FAR FAR overs Thor, Ss, hulk. Prime could absorb hotm hulks energy to become supermanprime, guardian energy>hulks 😄 superman prime bitched mxy, zatanna, killed countless peoples he's well beyond skyfather. So nay hotm vs prime is spite each and everytime.
Why not? Onslaught certainly was far above Herald level, especially near the end there when he was cutting loose. Afterall, he began tapping into the power of Franklin Richards and Nate Grey:You can compare them if you want, no skin of my back. Where does it say that Onslaught wanted Hulk to destroy his physical body? Onslaught actually went out of his way to protect himself, it was just a happy coincidence, for Onslaught that is.
Yes, he needed help becoming truly angry, but that's not a problem he has currently.
Did I say Onslaught was defeated? Still having trouble sticking to what I actually said? A nuke? Not sure if serious, are we lowballing now? In that case, Hulk breaks Prime because he's a lot stronger then Superboy. Please let's not be disingenuous and try to demean either side.
Prove it. 🙂
But seriously, how does that change anything? I still only discussed strength, why is that hard to understand? And if you're interested in the reason: I didn't want to become a HoTM Hulk thread but yes, that incarnation was beyond Prime -non amped Guardian- in strength.
What do you mean? I already made it clear that I think Prime wins against almost all incarnations even if he isn't stronger. I'm not interested in debating who wins in a fight, but who wins in a contest of strength. Like I said, is that what you want, or are you only replying because you feel like getting the last word in?
Pak is most definitely not the only writer who considers Hulk stronger then other Heralds. And even if he was, he isn't anymore not that it doesn't matter. Pak's writing has had such an influence that it's made a noticeably difference on Hulk's standing. Joe Fixit a few months ago owned the entire West Coast without even ramping up his anger, most noticeably Wonder Man.
You're overdoing it, Thor and Surfer can be conceivably beat Prime, he's not Exitar. Besides, I never argued out who would win in a vs. fight, but in regards to strength. How many times do I have to explain that to you?
Lol? Because Thor and Surfer have high ends feats that are crazy, that somehow in turn means Hulk stands a lesser chance against Prime?
Why are you acting as if I said a regular, every day Savage Hulk is stronger then Prime? Can you please start discussing the actual points I bring up instead of strawmanning?
That's just a bunch of lowballing butthurt trying to dismiss and demean feats that aren't to your liking. Do you want a list in chronological or alphabetical order where Hulk is above Heralds in strength?
When did I say that "Hulk >>>>>>>> Onslaught"? So far you've done nothing but strawman, completely ignoring any meaningful points I make, going on tangents, and arguing shit that I haven't even said. If this is a preview of what the rest of this discussion will be like, then just tell me now so I won't waste any more time. I need to save my energy for the Abhils and Carvers of the world, at least they're funny.
Originally posted by -Pr-prime raped two supermen hulk cant beat one unless its a homo FORUM slugfest in reality, in a comic hulk toasts his salad. Prime slutted out half the dcu. I could name like 5 characters he treated like ass that would beat hulks ass.
Prime isn't raping Hulk in a fight, unless you're severely over-rating Prime, or under-rating Hulk.
Originally posted by mighty adamPR READ IT prime treated mxy a 5imp like ass cheeks. Superman prime is spite vs hotm hulk and if you think other wise then I was a fool to think you had high LV comic knowledge.
its nice that your trying to base shit off strength ok so wat point is prime rapes hulk in a fight. Point is prime took a guardian exploding in his face Thor would die, Ss would die it did kill DD. Prime durability is FAR FAR FAR overs Thor, Ss, hulk. Prime could absorb hotm hulks energy to become supermanprime, guardian energy>hulks 😄 superman prime bitched mxy, zatanna, killed countless peoples he's well beyond skyfather. So nay hotm vs prime is spite each and everytime.
Originally posted by mighty adam???
so stalemating monarch is nothing something Thor, superman, hulk, GL, Ss, flash cant do combined. Have DAT seat.
Neither Monarch, nor that lineup -- heck even all of them combined with Superman Prime's help -- would be able to do anything to Supergod Herc either. At his lowest levels of power and still reeling from his fight with Chaos King, Supergod Herc restored over 98% of the universe instantly.
Originally posted by mighty adamYou aren't citing anything specific and are just ignoring the context. Hulk would rape him from HOTM.
prime raped two supermen hulk cant beat one unless its a homo FORUM slugfest in reality, in a comic hulk toasts his salad. Prime slutted out half the dcu. I could name like 5 characters he treated like ass that would beat hulks ass.
Originally posted by carver9
Are you related to one of the mods? You have to be.
Did I not tell you to shut up?
Originally posted by mighty adam
PR READ IT prime treated mxy a 5imp like ass cheeks. Superman prime is spite vs hotm hulk and if you think other wise then I was a fool to think you had high LV comic knowledge.
I've read more prime than you have. I know more than you. now, cut it out. you've been told to stop this lunacy.
