Kryptonians vs. Asgardians

Yes I know the point behind the terraforming Earth. IMO the terraforming itself is destroying the earth. I didn't mean it as "planet busting." Bifrost was powerful yeah, it was laying waste to an ice kingdom. The world engine was crumbling skycrappers iirc. IMO they are about even.

Nah I'm not suggesting it means Thor's durability is lesser. I was merely stating that Nam-Ek did in fact take the firepower from the plane while Thor did not. So really...Nam-Ek getting thrown back and grunting once is not bad at all IMHO.

Otherwise agree with everything you said. 👆

A moderate magnitude Earthquake can bring down a skyscraper. Obliterating an entire planet(whether made primarily of ice or not) is much more impressive

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Yes I know the point behind the terraforming Earth. IMO the terraforming itself is destroying the earth. I didn't mean it as "planet busting." Bifrost was powerful yeah, it was laying waste to an ice kingdom. The world engine was crumbling skycrappers iirc. IMO they are about even.

Nah I'm not suggesting it means Thor's durability is lesser. I was merely stating that Nam-Ek did in fact take the firepower from the plane while Thor did not. So really...Nam-Ek getting thrown back and grunting once is not bad at all IMHO.

Otherwise agree with everything you said. 👆

The World Engine was slowly building and increased gravity in a wave. That would destroy pretty much crush all man made structures as they wouldn't be able to support themselves as well as most living things, but it's nowhere near the power needed to actually destroy a planet. We saw the Frost Giant home-world btw and it looked like Earth except covered in ice IIRC.

Okay, fair enough. Nam-Ek should have dodged like Faora or Superman though tbh, would have been smarter. It seems movie incarnations are a lot less prone to tanking attacks. Besides the brutes. More realistic though, I prefer it as long as they have durability feats.

Presumably the Bifrost could destroy pretty much any planet if given enough time. With that said, it doesn't have much relevance here unless the Asgardians wish to kill themselves as well.

Originally posted by KingD19
A moderate magnitude Earthquake can bring down a skyscraper. Obliterating an entire planet(whether made primarily of ice or not) is much more impressive

Not really, at least not well built ones. Just look at Tokyo. It was hit by a major earthquake and yet all the Skyscrapers were left standing. Anyway, presumably if given enough time the World Engine could increase the gravity enough to crush a planet. That said don't know what is relevant about that. It doesn't need even a hundredth of that power to destroy the Asgardian army.

The potential for Odin to do something crazy with the Tesseract or Infinity Gauntlet is the only reason anyone should think the Asgardians stand a chance, because man-to-man they're laughably outclassed. Mjolnir!Thor is a dramatic outlier, as are probably Odin and Heimdall. The Destroyer might be a threat, sure. Loki is not a lesser Asgardian, he's a small and unusually talented frost giant, so his evident ability to take a beating says nothing about anyone else in their ranks except, by extension, Thor. The Warriors Three and Sif are clearly supposed to be extraordinary even for Asgardians.

Even if we (perhaps favorably) give a good whack from Mjolnir or blast from the Destroyer the kill on any given Kryptonian, the bulk of the Asgardian force is still set for a wrecking. Superspeed and cover from two guys with heat-vision are probably good enough checks on the Casket of Ancient Winters. I don't need to think they're all as capable as Faora, Zod or Nam-Ek to assume the sun-boost would be commensurate, and between the three of them they've tanked missiles, gone ground-to-air on fighter jets even without flight, hurled trucks and train cars, survived exposure in space and atmospheric reentry, been punched across a cityscape without serious harm, and literally demolished skyscrapers. Even muted versions of what they can do outclass all but the best Asgardian by magnitudes, from what we can infer.

Then there's the World Engine, and the gunships the Kryptonians brought with them. The bulk of the Asgardian army could easily die by that artillery alone after being surrounded and hemmed in by the faster aliens. Even if Thor takes it all out with the storms and a Jotunheim-style bringing down of the hammer, his folks just aren't tough enough. Without him they'll be quickly overwhelmed and killed; Faora and Nam-Ek will handle Sif and the Warriors Three, Kal-El will just slap the Destroyer into the Long Island Sound and join Zod in beating down Odin while some spare Kryptonians take on Heimdall, Loki gets chased around by some more spare Kryptonians, and then Thor's all alone.

Well put. I agree 👆

Kryptonians for the stomp

Originally posted by ares834
Presumably the Bifrost could destroy pretty much any planet if given enough time. With that said, it doesn't have much relevance here unless the Asgardians wish to kill themselves as well.

I didn't bring up the BiFrost. I'm not even sure why the Asgardian's would use it here, I was simply correcting how the BiFrost/World Engine compared.

The Kryptonian's bringing the World Engine is even dumber as it actively depowers them.

Not sure it would actively depower them. They are used to that atmosphere, only Kal-El was experiencing the weakness because he was not used to it. Plus they have those armors that keep them from being affected by the atmosphere.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Not sure it would actively depower them. They are used to that atmosphere, only Kal-El was experiencing the weakness because he was not used to it. Plus they have those armors that keep them from being affected by the atmosphere.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Not sure it would actively depower them. They are used to that atmosphere, only Kal-El was experiencing the weakness because he was not used to it. Plus they have those armors that keep them from being affected by the atmosphere.

Kryptonian's lose their powers in Kryptonian atmosphere. However they don't get sick like Clark initially did as they're use to it. That was a pretty big plot point. You've seen the movie like five times now, how don't you remember lol?

I was talking about the armor keeping the kryptonians safe from earth's atmosphere when I said the armor kept them safe. Which is odd. They come down from the ship, clad in full armor without getting exposure to sunlight and they can leap like hulk and have strength similar to Hulk. Whole atmosphere ordeal confuses me.*shrug*

Anyways I don't see the world engine being needed at all, so I'll drop it altogether.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I was talking about the armor keeping the kryptonians safe from earth's atmosphere when I said the armor kept them safe. Which is odd. They come down from the ship, clad in full armor without getting exposure to sunlight and they can leap like hulk and have strength similar to Hulk. Whole atmosphere ordeal confuses me.*shrug*

It might be weird but that's what happened.

basically in terms of losing or gain their powers in the different atmospheres the armors didn't mean anything.

Cool.

You nerds. uhuh

Pretty much what Newjack said.

The atmosphere and gravity gives them their more physical abilities while the Sunlight gives them their senses, flight and all that other shit IIRC.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pretty much what Newjack said.

The atmosphere and gravity gives them their more physical abilities while the Sunlight gives them their senses, flight and all that other shit IIRC.

Nah, other way around. Their senses are dependent on the atmosphere. Which is why damaging the mask causes them to go into sensory overload.

The other powers, save perhaps flight, seem to be a combo of the other two. Which is why Faora had strength and speed despite breathing in the Kryptonian atmosphere.

Although it does seem kinda inconsistent.

Originally posted by ares834
Nah, other way around. Their senses are dependent on the atmosphere. Which is why damaging the mask causes them to go into sensory overload.

The other powers, save perhaps flight, seem to be a combo of the other two. Which is why Faora had strength and speed despite breathing in the Kryptonian atmosphere.

Although it does seem kinda inconsistent.

But Clark lost his abilities and Kryptonian's were powerless in Kryptonian atmosphere. I just remembered that Jor-El said that the Sun strengthened his muscles and skin as well as his senses so it's a combination of the two but the atompshere factor is clearly very critical.

He was also cut off from solar radiation at this time. Perhaps it requires on or the other for the Kryptonians to have their powers intact. Which would make sense and explain why the Kryptonians have the powers while in the battle armor.

To free Kal, Jor-El turned the ships atmosphere Earth like and he immediately got his powers. Also he was on Earth when he fought the World Engine and it was specifically said that the atmosphere being terraformed into Krypton's would weaken him.

The Sun definitely played some kind of role, as his cells drank in the radiation but the atmosphere was like 70%.

Don't know how you can come to such a number.

Once again, despite being in armor, the Kryptonians had a ton of power.

Yes, when the atmosphere was turned back on he got some of his power back and yes the WE did weaken him. That doesn't mean it gives him 70% of his power.

Edit: Just was watching a version online and the scientist dude says "The strength you derive from exposure to the Earth's sun has been neutralized on our ship."