40 onwards.
You think Supes can do more damage than that? Because I didn't see anything putting him close to that and it didn't even put Neo down.
For all Neo's abilities, being invulnerable wasn't one of them. He can just manipulate reality around himself and solid objects. Unless he can do that in any way to Superman or Hancock, he's the first to die. He may be fast enough to take on dozens of Agent Smith's, but that's not enough to dodge or survive one heavy shot by Superman.
Originally posted by roughrider
For all Neo's abilities, being invulnerable wasn't one of them. He can just manipulate reality around himself and solid objects. Unless he can do that in any way to Superman or Hancock, he's the first to die. He may be fast enough to take on dozens of Agent Smith's, but that's not enough to dodge or survive one heavy shot by Superman.
Neo and Smith are fast enough to dodge bullets while NOT moving their feet. Superman has shown no such speed. Some of the hits Neo and Smith were trading were strong enough to shatter glass in the surrounding buildings. Neo may bleed, but as shown in the first Matrix movie, he doesn't die. At least not in the matrix. Not sure if that power is transferred into this thread, but the OP did say he maintains ALL his powers. That makes him unkillable. Besides, it's not like Superman is invulnerable as well. I think his fight with Zod pretty much showed that Kryptonians can be hurt and killed.
I don't consider Neo to be as strong and invulnerable as Superman, but I'd say he's close enough to give Supes some trouble. I do consider him faster though, at least in terms of combat speed if not mobile speed. Combine that with his superior fighting skill and Neo has a chance against Superman.
Again, not saying that Neo can clearly beat Superman, but I do think it's still possible. At the very least he'll give Superman a hell of a fight. And if you add Hancock, that's overkill.
Agent Smith and the other agents would do the bullet dodging; if they did manage to get lethally tagged - as Trinity did in the first film - then they just jack out of the host body and into another one. Neo would just stop the bullets in mid stream, because he could manipulate the matrix. Not a show of invulnerability. The final fight was just the matrix reality tearing and bending.
Everything Neo does is the matrix tearing and warping. That's the inherent problem with putting Neo in threads. If you dismiss certain feats he performs by pointing out that he's just manipulating the Matrix, than you have to dismiss all of them, frankly. There's only two types of Neo, the human, non-matrix Neo- and the Matrix Neo, who is basically God. There are no alternatives.
Originally posted by roughrider
For all Neo's abilities, being invulnerable wasn't one of them.
Yet theres nothing Superman can put out that can hurt him or put him down short of maybe heat vision and he's not hitting him with that. Did you see how deep that crator was in the video I posted? The force needed to put that big a hole in what looked to be rock is enormous and Neo woke up without a scratch 20 seconds later. Tzeentch is right, the OP gives him all his powers, so his durability is in.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._👆
Everything Neo does is the matrix tearing and warping. That's the inherent problem with putting Neo in threads. If you dismiss certain feats he performs by pointing out that he's just manipulating the Matrix, than you have to dismiss all of them, frankly. There's only two types of Neo, the human, non-matrix Neo- and the Matrix Neo, who is basically God. There are no alternatives.
"he got cut with a sword"... yeah, he also jumps into bodies and explodes them.
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Originally posted by Silent Masteri dunno. it's always like this tho. In every single Neo thread someone tries to disqualify the body explosion as only being able to work on computer programs, even though the OP clearly intends for his powers to function as part of the real world.
The OP stated that Neo has all his abilities, that means we treat Matrix feats as if they happened in the real world....why are people having a hard time understanding this?