Originally posted by 0mega Spawnbecause the prophecies state so. 313
Why should he have been more powerful? He was kicking ass all over the place
And don't say because the prophecies state so
nah, i think he should have been more powerful because he could see the code and change it. My opinion is that he didn't know what he was capable of.. or lacked imagination. He flew faster when he needed to save that b!tch trinity, but never pushed the limits of his power to anything beyond flying and having tk.
dude was like a GL who only used his ring to make fly swatters.
Originally posted by marwash22
I've seen it explained as either Neo being careless in that moment and not believing wholeheartedly that he could block it, or the weapons those programs had were special because the Mero-whatshisface made them.
I actually have 2 explanations for this. Merovingians cronies weren't humans. They were supernatural creatures. Vampires, werewolves, etc. (or at least the program equivalent of them). Merovingian explained this. Or just look at how they move, no human jumps up and down and walks on walls or turn intangible like they do.
The 2nd thing to consider is something I already mentioned in a previous post. Merovingian and his crew are not part of the matrix. They're composed of reject and orphaned programs that Merovingian salvaged, as such they are not part of the Matrix. They reside in the Matrix but are not controlled by the Matrix, and thus Neo has no control over them and they can hurt Neo. Still because they fight in the Matrix, Neo is still at the advantage.
I hope that makes sense.
Originally posted by FrothByteGod, that movie was stupid.
I actually have 2 explanations for this. Merovingians cronies weren't humans. They were supernatural creatures. Vampires, werewolves, etc. (or at least the program equivalent of them). Merovingian explained this. Or just look at how they move, no human jumps up and down and walks on walls or turn intangible like they do.
Originally posted by marwash22I did not say it was your position.
not my position.I'm one of the people who think it's bogus that Neo wasn't more powerful than he was in the movie... he SHOULD have been a god, he should have been able to teleport, not bleed when hit with a sword, reshape the entire world as he saw fit, etc.
Calm down.
Originally posted by marwash22
he never even tried.Smith tried to overwrite Neo, and failed.
call it a plothole that he never tried, but don't make stuff up.
I wasn't making stuff up. The fact that he didn't even try in that final movie implies that he knew he couldn't defeat him that easily anymore.
If it was just a matter of "he possibly could, but didn't try" then that just makes "Revolutions" an even worse movie than I thought.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Explanation for this is:In the first movie, Smith was part of the Matrix. When Neo finally mastered the Matrix he was able to unmake Smith. After that, Smith was disconnected from the Matrix. He existed as a parasite inside the Matrix but not part of the Matrix which is why Neo was unable to unmake him anymore. It's the same reason why Neo couldn't use the same tactic against Merovingian's cronies because all of them were actually reject programs and were already slated for deletion, they were not part of the Matrix anymore and thus Neo had no power over them. So Neo had to take them on the old fashioned way.
As for this debate, only the OP can decide if Neo's "unmaking" capabilities are carried over to the real world. Since there is proof that entities can exist inside the Matrix but are not part of the matrix, then maybe we can assume that's how Superman is in this fight. But right now the OP did say Neo has ALL his abilities, which is why I'm debating for it, but a proper point can be made against it as well.
One thing I do know though, is that will power has got nothing to do with whether Neo can make you explode or not.
This however makes more sense.
Seriously doubt Neo is anywhere near either of these guys' level.
Hancock had the ridiculous train feat. Then Superman busted through that mountain(splitting it in half or something to the effect) when he was learning how to fly and showed no visible damage.
Neo has much better fighting skills but that is about where it stops.
Originally posted by h1a8he had the same powers in the 2nd movie as he did in the 1st, and more (he stopped bullets just the same, but on a larger scale, and he added flight); it's just that he was content with flying, and never explored the limits of his power.
Actually Neo was purposely downgraded in Matrix 2 so that a feasible plot can exist.
At the end of Matrix 1 Neo was God and could do anything he desired. He had full control of the Matrix.Using Neo from the first movie then Neo stomps easily.
I was severely disappointed with Neo's code manipulation in the sequels.
Originally posted by marwash22
he had the same powers in the 2nd movie as he did in the 1st, and more (he stopped bullets just the same, but on a larger scale, and he added flight); it's just that he was content with flying, and never explored the limits of his power.I was severely disappointed with Neo's code manipulation in the sequels.
Well to be fair, most of his fights in the 2nd and 3rd movies were against opponents who weren't controlled by the matrix. Merovingian and his cronies were ghost and orphan programs that the matrix had thought deleted. Smith was a virus. What I don't understand is even if Neo didn't have control over his opponents, why didn't he manipulate the environment to help him out? We could assume that Merovingian's lair had some sort of anonymity from the Matrix, but when he was fighting Smith in the park why didn't he start opening holes in the ground or toppling buildings on Smith?