Thor Vs Mr. Majestic

Originally posted by dmills
I like how he can apparently see from space that it's not a barren moon. Indicating super senses.

IIRC there is another moment in that battle where it is said that he can hear the sounds of calls from worlds away or some such. Of course I may be waaay off with that lol. But I seem to recall it nonetheless.

Yes, there were a number of crazy super senses feats throughout the series.

The first issue he heard a prayer from across the Universe and got there. And yes, you're right in that issue, he heard the screams of Gods dying light years away. In the previous issue he also tracked Gorr's scent to his planet across the Universe.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, there were a number of crazy super senses feats throughout the series.

The first issue he heard a prayer from across the Universe and got there. And yes, you're right in that issue, he heard the screams of Gods dying light years away. In the previous issue he also tracked Gorr's scent to his planet across the Universe.

Obviously hyperbole...

Originally posted by dmills
Obviously hyperbole...

Obviously. We only take things as gospel when it's Superman, didn't you get the memo?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Obviously. We only take things as gospel when it's Superman, didn't you get the memo?

Too confusing.

Personally, I wouldn't bet the farm on Thor having super senses like Heimdall or Superman, which seem to be all purpose. Thor's senses, when they are displayed, appear to be connected to things pertaining to godhood/divinity/magic/the weather.

Thor's senses have come up many times over the years, enough to surprise some people, but they are very plot depended and ill-defined. He can sense/hear prayers no matter the distance and depending on the writer has superhuman hearing/sight/smell. How powerful is all up to the writer. He also has some kind of 6th sense that allows him to feel and sense danger that's come up here and there.

And yes, he can use Mjolnir to sense/track energy, objects and people etc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's senses have come up many times over the years, enough to surprise some people, but they are very plot depended and ill-defined. He can sense/hear prayers no matter the distance and depending on the writer has superhuman hearing/sight/smell. How powerful is all up to the writer. He also has some kind of 6th sense that allows him to feel and sense danger that's come up here and there.

And yes, he can use Mjolnir to sense/track energy, objects and people etc.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I've brought this up some where before, but do you remember in one of the Avengers books how he was the only one able to see who the speeding character was that was causing a disturbance. IIRC the character who we later find out was Hermes abducted an ailing Herc. Thor was able to see the speeding character and when asked by Cpt Marvel (Rambeau) about who it was, he responded something like "your mortal eyes can't see.. blah blah blah..."

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/CatchesHermes.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CatchesHermes.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/CatchesHermes.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CatchesHermes.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nice.. IIRC he actually was able to see Hermes outside a hospital window before he raced like a bat out of hell to catch him.

Yeah, that's the page before the first scan, Thor sees something out the window and chases Hermes but the quote you made was from Thor's thought bubble after he hits the tree.

I completely forgot about it. 😮

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]😂

Yggrdasil is the Axis Mundi or Cosmic Axis; it exists in all planes of reality, connects all the worlds and it holds the cosmos together.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor73.jpg

Tampering and unleashing its power literally warps all of reality, and if not careful it can destroy all of creation.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree5.jpg

The Cosmic Axis also connects to not only the Nine Worlds but a much larger Metaverse structrue:

The feat was impressive because the World Tree is powerful. For something a bit more recent, the entire Galactus arc as about the World Seed, that will bloom and create the next cycle of creation as everything ends, it's power is unending:

Also note that Asgard and all the Nine Worlds are the hearts of their own fully formed Universes like Earth is for the 616, Asgard's is known as Asgard-Space as of Fraction.The Tenth World came from their own Universe which was suffering Entropic Death:

The feat was never impressive because the World Tree is big, it was impressive because the World Tree is powerful. Also, the World Tree is infinitely big, it spans all of space/time, what we see is just a visual representation. For example:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16179239/The_Mighty_Thor_1_013-14.jpg.html
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor73.jpg

Now, us knowing all of this, knowing that the World Tree is the heart of pretty much creation, Thor still overpowers it's will:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine4.jpg

Fyi, it would have been the end of the world, and not just Asgard, the entire point was to create post-human Godlings in the aftermath. Whether that mean's Earth and the Universe it resides in, is up for debate.

Should have stuck to ignoring the feat instead of trying to lowball it as that requires actually discussing it.

Are you going to prove it or not?

I have evidence, you can't make that evidence disappear simply by creating a straw man.

Thor's fists have shown to rival Mjolnir,

he was very prone to putting away the hammer and beating the shit out of an opponent over the years.

So, I'm guessing the Prime/Conner thing is over yes?

Thor's powerset says that he hits as hard as mjolnir?

What? That's a lie, do so again and I'm tempted to report you.[/quote] Oh really? Then you must have the proof that Thor's fists are as hard as mjolnir or somehow mjolnir's extensively listed added striking power was somehow negated?

Gladiator said, specifically, that Thor was his equal in strength after being hit by Mjolnir:
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/R...iator3.jpg.html
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/R...iator4.jpg.html

There was no caveat about striking power, or that Thor was only nearly as strong as him. What? If Thor had punched him, that would probably disprove my point as we had no idea what the writer was using as his measuring stick but here to come to the conclusion of strength equality, Thor's hammer strike was used. As if it was a punch.

Figured it would be a no.

What so exactly is this thread about? Silver age writing styles and hyperbole? Thor can see things? Thor has Mjolnir which isn't a muscle?

Please thread get better.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice Mr Master impression rage. Posting scans of little importance. If only Warren Ellis knew that 15 years later Matt Fraction would write World Tree like this, he would've incorporated that in his writing too.

This sums up your argument in a nut-shell. Just ignoring anything that doesn't support you. Future comics don't suddenly disappear because we're dealing with something that came before, it's all part of the same animal.

Like I said, Mr. Majestic vs. Thor battle zone, whenever you're up for it, PM me.

Also, hilarious how you post Pre-Crisis Kryptonian scans from literally like 50 years ago to extrapolate Geoff John's writing of Prime but have a problem with me using actual on panel evidence because it's revealed later.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The whole point of that trick on Yggdrasil was that Earth was died in fire. It only turned back time on Asgard and Earth as shown on panel. Now you're speculating without any evidence. Show me a single evidence of universe in that whole arc. Also can you tell me just how much will did Yggdrasil applied on Thor? I will wait for that on panel evidence. No speculations would cut it.

You literally said that Ragnarok was limited only to Asgardian dimensions when it clearly also included Earth. And like I said, whether that included the Earth's Universe is completely up for debate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh really? Then you must have the proof that Thor's fists are as hard as mjolnir or somehow mjolnir's extensively listed added striking power was somehow negated?

That's not what you said, you included striking power and claimed near strength parity when there was no such distinction made. Do it again and I'll report you. I have the ability to quote all your posts, if you think this bravado is worth a warning, well then, the best of luck to you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A single statement would be suffice. If wonder man's fists can be compared to mjolnir, Thor's fists would have several statements of such, right?

Name away all the beings he has beaten by such tactics and then list all the beings who he has to rely upon mjolnir after failing to beat them by fists. I would guess first list would be longer than second by your confidence? Remember Thor 385? Just how Thor beat Hulk down after failing to put down him with mjolnir?

Compare's his fists to Mjolnir and goes on to own Hrinmeer:
http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/ThorvsTheFlame22.jpg.html
http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/ThorvsTheFlame23.jpg.html

Did I claim that was 100% consistent? Or that it was even the majority?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What, and miss this whole circus? Not gonna happen.
Prove what rage?
This is no strawman rage.

Why do you enjoy making yourself look bad?

The correlation between strength/flight, or the lack thereof in this case.

Google the word.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So. hitting somebody with a hammer and the guy thinks that the hit was as as hard as his own strength means the hammer played no part in the striking? Where's the proof? If Gladiator had compared Thor's punch to mjolnir strike, they would've been equal. As it is, you're comparing mjolnir strike to a punch without any evidence other than Gladiator taking mjolnir strike as proof of Thor's strength when we clearly know that mjolnir adds striking power by its own.

One more time:

"There was no caveat about striking power, or that Thor was only nearly as strong as him. What? If Thor had punched him, that would probably disprove my point as we had no idea what the writer was using as his measuring stick but here to come to the conclusion of strength equality, Thor's hammer strike was used. As if it was a punch."

Pr, isn't there some kind of rule about just literally ignoring all evidence of any kind, including on-panel descriptive evidence that disagrees with your stance? Just curious.

I just want to know if I should even bother posting any more scans/evidence outside of a battle zone with Abhil.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This sums up your argument in a nut-shell. Just ignoring anything that doesn't support you.

Google the word.

One more time:

"There was no caveat about striking power, or that Thor was only nearly as strong as him. What? If Thor had punched him, that would probably disprove my point as we had no idea what the writer was using as his measuring stick but here to come to the conclusion of strength equality, Thor's hammer strike was used. As if it was a punch."

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pr, isn't there some kind of rule about just literally ignoring all evidence of any kind, including on-panel descriptive evidence that disagrees with your stance? Just curious.

I just want to know if I should even bother posting any more scans/evidence outside of a battle zone with Abhil.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean posting scans from 15 years later from a writer which completely reorganized the whole asgardian mythology? You will tell me now that everytime Thor died, he went to Demogorge and killed him everytime now?

The Cosmic Axis was linked to the Universe long before Fraction:

It's also known as the Celestial Axis, which has been shown to be connected to Earth's Universe:

Now shut up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A character with 5000 appearances against a character with 100 appearnces? Haha.

😬

Why do number of appearances matter? If you believe Majestic is stronger, let's discuss this is in a more direct environment.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Geoff Johns actually saw the comics where PC kryptonians appeared. I guess Warren Ellis saw Fraction's comics too. Thor writers have future-vision, I guess.

Let's assume for a fact that Geoff Johns read all of those comics (Ridiculous but it's a hypothetical), what does it say about your theory when Prime's powers work like Post Crisis Kryptonians? And that your assumption is not even remotely hinted?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Earth is one of nine realms. It isn't. There was no allusion that the warp was anywhere near universal level.

You said:

Originally posted by abhilegend
FYI, Ragnarok is a simple Asgard related phenomena and not multiversal.

Implying it was only limited to Asgard, which is why I clarified, the Earth as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I didn't? For what exactly? Arguing with you? Chill bro. Post them.

You said:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. Gladiator thought to himself about striking power of thor and concluded that he was nearly as strong as he was. If thor had punched him then hammered him, your point would've been supported.

It's so sad that I have to threaten you with a report to stop you from making stuff up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok. That's one evidence out of 5000 appearances.

Your own words:

Originally posted by abhilegend
A single statement would be suffice.

Why do I have to keep quoting you? You denied the simple possibility of Thor's fists rivaling Mjolnir.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then why are you arguing about it? In majority of his appearances mjolnir adds striking power to Thor's strength and that's why mjolnir feats aren't strength feats for Thor. If you think otherwise, its up to you to prove that in majority of appearances mjolnir doesn't adds striking power to thor's strength. Good luck with that.

Again, you said:

Originally posted by abhilegend
No writer has ever portrayed mjolnir that way

You denied it ever happening, period. Despite their being numerous instances that imply Thor's fists rival Mjolnir.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why do you?

There is exactly zero proof that majestic's flight added him in pushing the planets. I can post nearly hundreds of scans to prove that mjolnir adds striking power to thor's strength.

If it's that obvious, there should be some kind of evidence to support this opinion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And your proof of that outside your opinion is? You were just telling me that you don't take my words as gospel, well guess what I do with your words.

Your word is dismissed as bullshit because it's not supported by anything resembling direct evidence and is usually contradicted by the comics. Here Mjolnir's hit is used to judge that Thor is Gladiator's equal in strength, something that's only ever done with fists usually, proving my point. That it does indeed happen.

Ouch

Sad that most of that post is me quoting Abhil to remind him what he said a few pages ago. Not sure why I even bothered replying.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Relevant scans buddy. Posting scans from 15 years later after a feat was done by a writer who completely redefined asgardian mythology as shown before in comics isn't a proof.

You don't get to ignore evidence because it's inconvenient. But I'll remember this complete disregard of anything post-comic in future debates. You'll of course ignore this line of reasoning when it no longer favors you but whatever.

And criteria met, now run along.