Originally posted by abhilegend
You are right, it was Earth+moon+a huge space ship made out of all the resources of a solar system.That was Byrne superman who was admitting those kinds of things on regular basis and then doing those things regardless.
"all the resources of a solar system"?
What are you talking about?
Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF are you talking about?
Anyways... How do you figure he moved the earth, moon, and the ship under his own power without any help?
Going back to Carver's point, he even admits he can do no such thing.
Regarding Majestic's 'gloves'
http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/m_strength13.jpg
So yeah, he was still solely responsible for generating the sheer physicality associated with moving planets across the solar system.
I always saw these three (Majestros, Thor, Kal) as a good rock/paper/scissors scenario.
Superman has weaknesses that are presumably exploitable by Thor (primarily magic lightning, possibly others if we're generous). Majestic lacks those weaknesses and has Superman's advantages over Thor like base strength and combat speed (and also a considerable skill edge over either of the others). And heads-up Superman is a bit stronger, more durable, more versatile, etc. than Majestic, so they'd slug it out and Kal would win.
If you don't lowball Majestic's durability - which is possible depending on feat selection - I'd pick him to win the majority here. But it would be a holy hell of a fight.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
That's Superman letting us know it's a really big ship. He doesn't actually know that it takes all the resources of a solar system to build that particular size ship.Anyways... How do you figure he moved the earth, moon, and the ship under his own power without any help?
Going back to Carver's point, he even admits he can do no such thing.
Because he actually moved them from a solar system to another when the ship's engines were explicitly drained.
Byrne superman also said he can't lift a plane once. Lets discredit all the plane lifting feats he has, shall we? Byrne wrote superman unaware of his own strength and doubting himself whole time. Its damn annoying.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Byrne superman also said he can't lift a plane once. Lets discredit all the plane lifting feats he has, shall we? Byrne wrote superman unaware of his own strength and doubting himself whole time. Its damn annoying.
Supes himself admits he has nowhere near the kind of power to push planets around. He then hoped the vessel didn't either. Do you know why he hoped for that? If the vessel did actually have that kind of power, he would never have been able to tow the earth and moon. Which means his theory of the holding field neutralizing the mass of the earth and moon would have been wrong. If it was wrong, then the ship itself actually had the power to tow planets without the neutralizing effect he theorized.
Guess what? He was right. He proved his theory to be correct as he was able to tow the earth moon system. Furthermore, he theorized that the holding field also prevented the earth moons system from being torn apart by gravitational stresses. Which then adds to the point that the holding field was the main reason he was able to tow the two bodies.
Still a very good feat, but not the fantasy you made it out to be. Why do you keep making the same mistakes over and over?
Originally posted by Digi
I always saw these three (Majestros, Thor, Kal) as a good rock/paper/scissors scenario.Superman has weaknesses that are presumably exploitable by Thor (primarily magic lightning, possibly others if we're generous). Majestic lacks those weaknesses and has Superman's advantages over Thor like base strength and combat speed (and also a considerable skill edge over either of the others). And heads-up Superman is a bit stronger, more durable, more versatile, etc. than Majestic, so they'd slug it out and Kal would win.
If you don't lowball Majestic's durability - which is possible depending on feat selection - I'd pick him to win the majority here. But it would be a holy hell of a fight.
I still don't know why people give Majestic the strength edge over Thor. Superman I understand, but Majestic? He hasn't it earned, same goes for Gladiator. And if he does, it's so minor that Mjolnir more then makes up for that. Superman may have won their fight, but he was actually losing in close combat against Thor with Mjolnir until he used heat vision. Captain Marvel also seemed to be far more affected by Mjolnir then vise versa. Even if Majestic has the strength edge, Mjolnir would still give Thor the advantage in hand to hand.
And Thor's at least as durable.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Huh? Lifting a plane is a far cry from towing the earth, moon, and a gigantic ship. Are you delusional? Your scan explains the whole thing.Supes himself admits he has nowhere near the kind of power to push planets around. He then hoped the vessel didn't either. Do you know why he hoped for that? If the vessel did actually have that kind of power, he would never have been able to tow the earth and moon. Which means his theory of the holding field neutralizing the mass of the earth and moon would have been wrong. If it was wrong, then the ship itself actually had the power to tow planets without the neutralizing effect he theorized.
Guess what? He was right. He proved his theory to be correct as he was able to tow the earth moon system. Furthermore, he theorized that the holding field also prevented the earth moons system from being torn apart by gravitational stresses. Which then adds to the point that the holding field was the main reason he was able to tow the two bodies.
Still a very good feat, but not the fantasy you made it out to be. Why do you keep making the same mistakes over and over?
Both are wrong speculations, the ship did move the planet and moon and just by an energy net and not by a gravity nullifying net. I am amused that you're taking "I hope" as a literal statement but discarding a literal statement about the ship's size. Double hypocrisy.
You've got any proof of this "theory" or are you just being a hypocrite of highest order again?
Hahaha.
Originally posted by abhilegendU serious? Ure comparing a plane to two celestial bodies? Are u delusional?
Of course it does. You are accepting him lifting planes when he admitted he can't lift one while discarding him actually moving the planet when he admitted he can't move a planet? Hypocrisy much?Both are wrong speculations, the ship did move the planet and moon and just by an energy net and not by a gravity nullifying net. I am amused that you're taking "I hope" as a literal statement but discarding a literal statement about the ship's size. Double hypocrisy.
From what you say, the energy net was pretty much there just to capture the earth-moon system with no other underlying effects.
We also see that there were no gravitational stresses on both celestial bodies? I wonder why is that? Hmm...
Originally posted by abhilegend
You've got any proof of this "theory" or are you just being a hypocrite of highest order again?
Hahaha.
Originally posted by Digi
Superman has weaknesses that are presumably exploitable by Thor (primarily magic lightning, possibly others if we're generous). Majestic lacks those weaknesses and has Superman's advantages over Thor like base strength and combat speed (and also a considerable skill edge over either of the others). And heads-up Superman is a bit stronger, more durable, more versatile, etc. than Majestic, so they'd slug it out and Kal would win.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17No. I'm comparing two statements. You seem to take one as gospel and other doesn't matter.
U serious? Ure comparing a plane to two celestial bodies? Are u delusional?
From what you say, the energy net was pretty much there just to capture the earth-moon system with no other underlying effects.Because the writer wasn't as smart as you, obviously. We've seen heaven's ladder moving earth at FTL speed and it didn't break apart either. Stop using real life science in comics.
We also see that there were no gravitational stresses on both celestial bodies? I wonder why is that? Hmm...
You really do have a habit of misinterpreting panels.I'm describing the panels as they are.
It's there in front of you.Yes it is. Superman doubting himself and then doing it anyway. He said PC superboy was vastly stronger than him and yet he stalemated him in a contest of strength and Zod compared his punch to superboy.
It's either you have reading incomprehension or ure just outright refusing to accept what the writer is trying to convey.Or maybe I'm not a marvel dickrider trying to dismiss a superman feat and actually knows how Byrne wrote superman. Stick to hyping Thor's feats.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I still don't know why people give Majestic the strength edge over Thor. Superman I understand, but Majestic? He hasn't it earned, same goes for Gladiator. And if he does, it's so minor that Mjolnir more then makes up for that. Superman may have won their fight, but he was actually losing in close combat against Thor with Mjolnir until he used heat vision. Captain Marvel also seemed to be far more affected by Mjolnir then vise versa. Even if Majestic has the strength edge, Mjolnir would still give Thor the advantage in hand to hand.And Thor's at least as durable.
