CIP/CIS less rumble

Superman or Thor

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has resisted transmutation by beings far above surfer. If he wills it, surfer isn't doing anything to his body.

Superman doesn't needs to touch surfer to erase him from existence.

I can already see that this thread won't end well.

Surfer, Thor get the most benefit.

Can still see Superman punching their shit in.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
Superman breaks surfer in half before surfer can even think about transmutation, so no need for superman to try to resist it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The guy gets speedblitzed by spider-man, Ganeymede and Midnight Sun FFS. Surfer wouldn't even register superman blitzing him.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
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Originally posted by abhilegend

They say surfer has super-speed..............

That was a Carnage amped Silver Surfer btw.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? What if I tell you that people like firestorm have transmuted things big enough to destroy earth or Adam Warlock transmuted a whole planet?

To be fair, IIRC the remaining/jettisoned segment of the Enslaver Worldship the Surfer transmuted into a vast armada was much much bigger than the Earth.

Little relevance to the thread, tho (IMO). Just wanted to put it out there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You tell me, is this guy capable of reacting to superman?

That was a Carnage amped Silver Surfer btw.

That's why it's cis/pis less fight. What's the point of trying to lowball?. You had something going with fast reaction time.. Why did you stoop to lowballing again. Convince them with concrete stuff. The way ure going, ure gonna turn this thread into a flame war. If they don't agree, that's their prerogative.

Originally posted by zopzop
That's awesome. But that's only a small portion of the Surfer's abilities. Add in CL100 strength, planetary level tp/cosmic senses, time travel abilities, intangibility, planet busting power, etc... and he stands head and shoulders above Warlock or Firestorm.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Oh Ahbi..

That's why it's cis/pis less fight. What's the point of trying to lowball?. You had something going with fast reaction time.. Why did you stoop to lowballing again. Convince them with concrete stuff. The way ure going, ure gonna turn this thread into a flame war. If they don't agree, that's their prerogative.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer has zero reaction feats to contend with superman. Also spidey has blitzed surfer three times. PIS/CIS free doesn't mean you grant new abilities to characters.

Wait unless u really do think Spidey can blitz a cis/cip/pis-less Surfer? If u actually do, then u may need some help.. Na mean?

How often has Lex Luthor managed to tag Superman with an attack?
I'm guessing it's in the double digits ...

Damn the low balling started early this time 😆

Well, Abhi starts from there and then really elevates the "debate" 🙂

I'm wondering why the BP arm-bar hasn't been referenced yet as proof that Surfer is susceptible to peak-human attacks upon his person.

Maybe abhi's not come across that scan in the character ownage thread yet.

Superman hada high chance of winning. He had the best healing factor

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Firestorm also has class 100 strength (enough to go toe to toe with an amped Kalibak who oneshotted Orion), energy projection enough to create a star, intangibility and what not. Versatility=/=power.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Again.. U do know that Spidey blitzing Surfer is full of cis/pis right? Surfer is ridiculously so much faster than Spidey its not even fair, hence the dumbing down of his character.

Wait unless u really do think Spidey can blitz a cis/cip/pis-less Surfer? If u actually do, then u may need some help.. Na mean?

Surfer is faster than spidey in travel speed. Means shit in combat speed.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup but Surfer has all that AND planet busting power and planetary level tp/cosmic awareness and time travel powers and his matter manip isn't limited in any way (orgainic or inorganic).