Originally posted by SevenShackles
Ok. What if I gave Orion his equipment? Would that give him more of a chance?
How would that make a difference? Maestro punked merged Hulk in Future Imperfect like a grown man would punk an 8 yr old. Let's get the lay of the land under way shall we? Merged Hulk had some pretty good feats, at the size of a mouse he nearly KO'd the Abomination with one hit, he also went toe to toe with the closest thing in comics to Orion in Thor when they had it out in the Arctic, and many would say that Merged Hulk won that battle with a Thor that was not holding back.
Maestro toyed with that same version of the Hulk, so it gives us some pretty solid stuff in terms of feats to compare him to. Maestro would kill Orion even without the nerf. Also he had a rather ominous looking trophy room, and if it meant that he killed all of the heroes that were depicted to have died then I can't see how Orion would fare any better (ref. Hulk Future Imperfect).
Didn't Maestro come back in recent years with Logan from "Days of Future Past" and scrapped with their current selves? Even though it was just a brief bout Current Hulk seemed to do pretty well, they seemed almost even until Hulk thunderclapped them out a window just for the future duo to teleport back to the future and report to a Red Hulk with a mustache, I recall seeing scans of that fight and always wondered if they ever explained what was going on. Maestro has always been one of the more interesting incarnations of Hulk imo, I wish they'd bring him around more often lol.
That being said, yeah facing a hulk blow for blow isn't the best idea, as badass as Orion is I'd say this is his fight to lose.
Originally posted by Stoic
How would that make a difference? Maestro punked merged Hulk in Future Imperfect like a grown man would punk an 8 yr old. Let's get the lay of the land under way shall we? Merged Hulk had some pretty good feats, at the size of a mouse he nearly KO'd the Abomination with one hit, he also went toe to toe with the closest thing in comics to Orion in Thor when they had it out in the Arctic, and many would say that Merged Hulk won that battle with a Thor that was not holding back.Maestro toyed with that same version of the Hulk, so it gives us some pretty solid stuff in terms of feats to compare him to. Maestro would kill Orion even without the nerf. Also he had a rather ominous looking trophy room, and if it meant that he killed all of the heroes that were depicted to have died then I can't see how Orion would fare any better (ref. Hulk Future Imperfect).
Merged was a weaker Hulk, wasn't he?
That's the version Deaths Head II did well against, and it was downplayed because of this Hulks formidibility compared to other Hulks..
But ftr, Slig and Mantis are both more then a match for Merged themselves. It was outright stated Slig is about in the Superman strength range, abd Orion steamrolled him.
Or look at Kalibak, even. He's almost always given Superman a decent fight, while he's only given Orion trouble amped. Unamped, Orion one shots him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Aquaman steamrolled slig too FWIW. Many characters have been stated to be in superman class with no feats to back it up.
A fair point.
It's Aquaman, though. With respect to his fans, he gets written outside his weight class by writers a lot. An equal to Wonder Woman lately, for example, and he did better vs Despero physically then just about anyone except "Angel Supergirl".
The Slig fight is still an impressive display of durability and transmutation resistance, if nothing else.
Originally posted by cdtm
Merged was a weaker Hulk, wasn't he?That's the version Deaths Head II did well against, and it was downplayed because of this Hulks formidibility compared to other Hulks..
But ftr, Slig and Mantis are both more then a match for Merged themselves. It was outright stated Slig is about in the Superman strength range, abd Orion steamrolled him.
Or look at Kalibak, even. He's almost always given Superman a decent fight, while he's only given Orion trouble amped. Unamped, Orion one shots him.
I only know of one case that merged Hulk seemed to be less than the other Hulk's,, and that was when he fought Wonder Man, which seemed to be a writer pushing for Simon to join the ranks of the big boys. At a high point, Merged Hulk gave the infantile version of Drax a good fight while he possessed the Power gem. If anyone can recall, this version of Drax nearly choked the life out of the Surfer while using only brute strength.
So if you're only using the Merged Hulk's one to perhaps three low showings as an indication that he was somewhat far less than the other Hulk's go for it, but it doesn't sway me into believing that Maestro is any less than the Future Imperfect storyline made him out to be. Also Superman holds back a lot so using him here isn't really working out well as a gauge.
Originally posted by cdtm
A fair point.It's Aquaman, though. With respect to his fans, he gets written outside his weight class by writers a lot. An equal to Wonder Woman lately, for example, and he did better vs Despero physically then just about anyone except "Angel Supergirl".
The Slig fight is still an impressive display of durability and transmutation resistance, if nothing else.
Originally posted by Stoic
I only know of one case that merged Hulk seemed to be less than the other Hulk's,, and that was when he fought Wonder Man, which seemed to be a writer pushing for Simon to join the ranks of the big boys. At a high point, Merged Hulk gave the infantile version of Drax a good fight while he possessed the Power gem. If anyone can recall, this version of Drax nearly choked the life out of the Surfer while using only brute strength.So if you're only using the Merged Hulk's one to perhaps three low showings as an indication that he was somewhat far less than the other Hulk's go for it, but it doesn't sway me into believing that Maestro is any less than the Future Imperfect storyline made him out to be. Also Superman holds back a lot so using him here isn't really working out well as a gauge.
Originally posted by Stoic
I only know of one case that merged Hulk seemed to be less than the other Hulk's,, and that was when he fought Wonder Man, which seemed to be a writer pushing for Simon to join the ranks of the big boys. At a high point, Merged Hulk gave the infantile version of Drax a good fight while he possessed the Power gem. If anyone can recall, this version of Drax nearly choked the life out of the Surfer while using only brute strength.So if you're only using the Merged Hulk's one to perhaps three low showings as an indication that he was somewhat far less than the other Hulk's go for it, but it doesn't sway me into believing that Maestro is any less than the Future Imperfect storyline made him out to be. Also Superman holds back a lot so using him here isn't really working out well as a gauge.
Hey, as a Minion Minion fan, the last thing I want to do is lowball what represents one of his most impressive fights.
He never really hurt Drax, though. He fought well, and pulled some nice moves, the same way Gamora looked good vs Maxim, through outmanuvering him.