The Official "Argue with Quan about Zelda" Thread

Started by ScreamPaste87 pages

You're arguing in circles and it's making me bored.
The FS are not relevant to discussing the sword.
Fi is sentient and can make her own decisions,
while the Fused Shadows have no moral positions.

If Ganon can use good powers for evil,
why can't Midna use evil power for good?
Your argument doesn't make sense to people,
and if you want it to get anywhere it should.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're arguing in circles and it's making me bored.
The FS are not relevant to discussing the sword.
Fi is sentient and can make her own decisions,
while the Fused Shadows have no moral positions.

If Ganon can use good powers for evil,
why can't Midna use evil power for good?
Your argument doesn't make sense to people,
and if you want it to get anywhere it should.

Again in Tp prior to HH we don't see the sword making any decisions its juts Link.

Midna used evil magic but was more aggressive. Evil can destroy evil.

Midna said the sword CHOSE link to be its master.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Midna said the sword CHOSE link to be its master.
Due to destiny and fate. That's all.

The sword made a choice. Does it matter why?

See now here's what I just don't understand
Your claim is that Midna is at most bland
Not good or evil, but somewhere in grey
Yet when pressure is on, evil you say
Fused Shadows corrupt, indeed this we know
Yet around Midna it's a clear no-show
Full transformation and a life she's saved
No less than twice and she still had not caved

Then let's take this claim to flip on its head
Ganon's weapons are holy, dare we tread
On this line of logic a point is scored
For the goodness found in the Sage's Sword
A holy blade, it is blessed and true
Is Ganondorf, then, a good person too?
That is your claim, it is the tool that decides
On where, black or white, that its user slides

But alas no, that is not how things go
For Ganon, pure evil, will remain so
Yet Link, too, can draw from evil power
His wolf form from which the townsfolk cower
Pure good? If so, a contradiction made
For good is no good with an evil's aid?

Here I would wager the point that you missed
A core theme of the game, this is the gist:
"Dark is not evil," the lesson learned
For even a shadow, stripes can be earned
Thus we can present, in all our detail
The Princess of Twilight's desperate tale

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
The sword made a choice. Does it matter why?
Sword is good so evil cannot wield and this is all explained in the game.

Originally posted by The Scenario
See now here's what I just don't understand
Your claim is that Midna is at most bland
Not good or evil, but somewhere in grey
Yet when pressure is on, evil you say
Fused Shadows corrupt, indeed this we know
Yet around Midna it's a clear no-show
Full transformation and a life she's saved
No less than twice and she still had not caved

Then let's take this claim to flip on its head
Ganon's weapons are holy, dare we tread
On this line of logic a point is scored
For the goodness found in the Sage's Sword
A holy blade, it is blessed and true
Is Ganondorf, then, a good person too?
That is your claim, it is the tool that decides
On where, black or white, that its user slides

But alas no, that is not how things go
For Ganon, pure evil, will remain so
Yet Link, too, can draw from evil power
His wolf form from which the townsfolk cower
Pure good? If so, a contradiction made
For good is no good with an evil's aid?

Here I would wager the point that you missed
A core theme of the game, this is the gist:
"Dark is not evil," the lesson learned
For even a shadow, stripes can be earned
Thus we can present, in all our detail
The Princess of Twilight's desperate tale

Midna is neither good nor evil but has both qualities inside her unlike Dorf or Link.

Fused shadows is evil whereas Master Sword is good. Pretty standard stuff here. Quit rhyming it is lame.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again in Tp prior to HH we don't see the sword making any decisions its juts Link.

Midna used evil magic but was more aggressive. Evil can destroy evil.


Would you look at that? Must be 12:10,
Quanchi's online and being wrong again!

The sword makes decisions right in TP,
all while the player us, can plainly see.

The sword is sentient, this is canon fact.
It's irrelevant to any non sentient artifact.

Ganon uses good to be evil. Midna uses evil to be nice.
If you don't know who is good, then I hope you get pubic lice.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Would you look at that? Must be 12:10,
Quanchi's online and being wrong again!

The sword makes decisions right in TP,
all while the player us, can plainly see.

The sword is sentient, this is canon fact.
It's irrelevant to any non sentient artifact.

Ganon uses good to be evil. Midna uses evil to be nice.
If you don't know who is good, then I hope you get pubic lice.

Sword is good unlike Triforce who lets the user decide.

Midna is selfish whereas Dorf can't use the Master Sword. He's evil. Evil can kill evil. 😂

C'mon, Quan, you're not even trying.
That and you're blatantly lying.

The sword can't be wielded by others because of it's mind,
this is irrefutable canon, made obvious in TP, you'll find.
It chooses Link, recognizing him as the Hero.
Odds of nonsentients making choices? Zero.

Ganon uses magic created by good,
is he counted as a nice guy?
According to you he should.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Midna is neither good nor evil but has both qualities inside her unlike Dorf or Link.

Fused shadows is evil whereas Master Sword is good. Pretty standard stuff here. Quit rhyming it is lame.

Trouble reading between the lines?
Let me help untangle these vines
If you can't keep up rhyming that's fair
Just try not to get caught in my snare
No more rhyming, just questions full
I may have horns but I'm no bull

Now then, where to begin? I see you've ignored me once again. Do you have an answer to the Sage's Sword? You're just repeating and making me bored. What about Link and the evil power? You've ignored it all, are you sour? If Ganon is evil and Link is good, explain those as you should.

...oops

Originally posted by The Scenario
Trouble reading between the lines?
Let me help untangle these vines
If you can't keep up rhyming that's fair
Just try not to get caught in my snare
No more rhyming, just questions full
I may have horns but I'm no bull

Now then, where to begin? I see you've ignored me once again. Do you have an answer to the Sage's Sword? You're just repeating and making me bored. What about Link and the evil power? You've ignored it all, are you sour? If Ganon is evil and Link is good, explain those as you should.

...oops


Scenario, friend, I know I'm on your side,
but I think that you may have just... Lied.
No more rhyming you say, and yet you continue.
If you keep filling him with verse, Quan'll need a tissue.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
C'mon, Quan, you're not even trying.
That and you're blatantly lying.

The sword can't be wielded by others because of it's mind,
this is irrefutable canon, made obvious in TP, you'll find.
It chooses Link, recognizing him as the Hero.
Odds of nonsentients making choices? Zero.

Ganon uses magic created by good,
is he counted as a nice guy?
According to you he should.

it can't be wielded by evil. Fate chose Link to crush Dorf. Fate also chose Sages to bfr him.

Fates going to choose Tb here.

Dorf can't use Ms. Point proven.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Trouble reading between the lines?
Let me help untangle these vines
If you can't keep up rhyming that's fair
Just try not to get caught in my snare
No more rhyming, just questions full
I may have horns but I'm no bull

Now then, where to begin? I see you've ignored me once again. Do you have an answer to the Sage's Sword? You're just repeating and making me bored. What about Link and the evil power? You've ignored it all, are you sour? If Ganon is evil and Link is good, explain those as you should.

...oops

Sages sword has no allegiance to either.

Link is good Dorf is evil. That sums it up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sages sword has no allegiance to either.

Link is good Dorf is evil. That sums it up.

The holy blade is not good, do you mean?
There must be a reason, is it obscene?

Yet Link uses evil and Ganon, good
Have you nothing to say then, that they could?

Originally posted by The Scenario
The holy blade is not good, do you mean?
There must be a reason, is it obscene?

Yet Link uses evil and Ganon, good
Have you nothing to say then, that they could?

come again.

Link and Dorf can use neutral weapons but Fused Shadows is evil whereas Ms is good.

Originally posted by quanchi112
come again.

Link and Dorf can use neutral weapons but Fused Shadows is evil whereas Ms is good.

The Sage's Sword, blessed and glowing
You say it is neutral with nary a showing?

Link turns to beast form when evil exposed
Or did you forget what Midna proposed?

So then I ask, please don't go mad
Through use of evil, is Link good or bad?

Originally posted by The Scenario
The Sage's Sword, blessed and glowing
You say it is neutral with nary a showing?

Link turns to beast form when evil exposed
Or did you forget what Midna proposed?

So then I ask, please don't go mad
Through use of evil, is Link good or bad?

Link is not evil but uses evil magic to force the wolf transformation. Still evil magic he can use but he's still a selfless hero unlike Midna.

Ah, then so it is not truly the tool
That decides if good or evil will rule
Link uses evil and remains in light
So Midna's dark magic shines just as bright

But again I must ask, for Midna fair
This one selfish action, can you say where?