The Official "Argue with Quan about Zelda" Thread

Originally posted by quanchi112
it can't be wielded by evil. Fate chose Link to crush Dorf. Fate also chose Sages to bfr him.

Fates going to choose Tb here.

Dorf can't use Ms. Point proven.

She isn't relevant to the argument at hand,
what about that is so hard to understand?
Midna is good, I think you'll accept,
lest Ganon is good, or do you object?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You got it wrong again, Link wasn't chosen by fate.
Link carries the spirit of the hero by design, mate.
Link and the sword go back a long, long way.
She was reforged in his own spirit, back in the day.
The sword has a mind, and can make it's own decisions.
Fi, her name, chooses who can wield her on missions.

She isn't relevant to the argument at hand,
what about that is so hard to understand?
Midna is good, I think you'll accept,
lest Ganon is good, or do you object?

Sword is good.

Midna has both qualities and is a grey character like most unlike Link or Dorf.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Ah, then so it is not truly the tool
That decides if good or evil will rule
Link uses evil and remains in light
So Midna's dark magic shines just as bright

But again I must ask, for Midna fair
This one selfish action, can you say where?

Link can be overtaken by evil magic ala transformed into a wolf.

Evil can be used against evil but Ms has not been used to slay good.

Midna is grey like most unlike Link or Dorf.

So Link can be overtaken by evil magic, even use it for his cause, without being evil. Yet Midna doing the same makes her evil, despite using it to save people?

Can you define the level of grey? Like, 50/50 even, or maybe 5 evil/95 good? What action has she taken that makes her not totally good even after her character development?

Grey and neutral people are still more aligned to one than the other.

Your average persons most evil trait is maybe occasional lying. Your average person also supports their family and friends, is relatively polite, maybe gives to charity etc. Several positive trait to no real negative ones, yet your average human is still neutral/grey, even if they're more good than bad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Fate scripted Link wins. Do you know what fate is with regards to Zelda ?

Sword is good.

Midna has both qualities and is a grey character like most unlike Link or Dorf.

The sword isn't relevant to the FS or ToP's morality.

Ganon uses good power and a good sword to commit evil acts, Link uses evil magic to commit good acts. Midna uses evil magic to commit good acts.

Midna is more like Link or more like Ganon?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know you don't understand. Real problem of yours.

I don't ignore relevant questions ever.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Midna is more like Link or more like Ganon?

Originally posted by The Scenario
So Link can be overtaken by evil magic, even use it for his cause, without being evil. Yet Midna doing the same makes her evil, despite using it to save people?

Can you define the level of grey? Like, 50/50 even, or maybe 5 evil/95 good? What action has she taken that makes her not totally good even after her character development?

Nsh, too silly. Grey.

She has both.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Grey and neutral people are still more aligned to one than the other.

Your average persons most evil trait is maybe occasional lying. Your average person also supports their family and friends, is relatively polite, maybe gives to charity etc. Several positive trait to no real negative ones, yet your average human is still neutral/grey, even if they're more good than bad.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
A lot better than you do, apparently. Design =/= Fate.

The sword isn't relevant to the FS or ToP's morality.

Ganon uses good power and a good sword to commit evil acts, Link uses evil magic to commit good acts. Midna uses evil magic to commit good acts.

Midna is more like Link or more like Ganon?

Yes, it is.

Dorf if selfish so Hes evil. Midna is selfish and selfless aka both.

She has both.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Neutral with both good and evil. I answered the question but you can't force me to answer it a certain way.

Who is Midna more like, Link, or Ganon?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link is fated to defeat Dorf. Always the case.

Yes, it is.

Dorf if selfish so Hes evil. Midna is selfish and selfless aka both.

She has both.

No, it's sentient, they are not.

Midna is more concerned with helping Link than her own death by the time she gets to Zelda, and this puts her directly in the middle between a self sacrificing hero and a genocidal monster? haermm

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You didn't answer it at all, you just repeated yourself, dodging the question.

Who is Midna more like, Link, or Ganon?

Prove this.

No, it's sentient, they are not.

Midna is more concerned with helping Link than her own death by the time she gets to Zelda, and this puts her directly in the middle between a self sacrificing hero and a genocidal monster? haermm

You need to play the games as they clearly say he's the fated hero.

She was selfish prior to and did not care but later after Zelda's sacrifice she cared about them.

Ms is good whereas triforce isn't like it in that regard.

Garbage, you're avoiding an honest answer.

1. Prove the game says this. I seem to recall him being called "Hero Chosen By The Gods".
2. The game says a lot of things that you straight up ignore.

No, before Zelda's sacrifice her only concern is helping Link. She tries to stop Zelda from saving her. Go watch the scene.

MS is sentient.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Garbage, you're avoiding an honest answer.

1. Prove the game says this. I seem to recall him being called "Hero Chosen By The Gods".
2. The game says a lot of things that you straight up ignore.

No, [b]before Zelda's sacrifice her only concern is helping Link. She tries to stop Zelda from saving her. Go watch the scene.

MS is sentient. [/B]

She is originally selfish about them both. Undeniable.

Excuses, excuses. It's good. Tp came out before HH, kiddo.

Prove it.

She's redeemed before the halfway point of TP, and she was never even evil, so lol.

K, HH was published in 2011, what exactly is your point, Quan?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Prove it.

She's redeemed before the halfway point of TP, and she was never even evil, so lol.

K, HH was published in 2011, what exactly is your point, Quan?

Selfish is evil whereas selflessness is good.

Not canon.

I never said Dorf is an incompetent fool, I told you to back your claim.

Midna was selfless to the point of sacrificing her own life before mid game.

HH isn't canon now? haermm Also, when did HH become relevant? I never brought it up.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I never said Dorf is an incompetent fool, I told you to back your claim.

Midna was [b]selfless to the point of sacrificing her own life before mid game.

HH isn't canon now? haermm Also, when did HH become relevant? I never brought it up. [/B]

She was also selfish so both.

Not with regards to manga.

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112

She was also selfish so both.

When?

Example?