Majestic VS World War Hulk

Originally posted by Galan007
you entirely missed the point of my post. i explicitly stated that at the time he battled wwh, sentry was going all-out. it was simply revealed in later issues that the abilities sentry displayed against wwh were just the tip of an extremely vast iceberg.

this, again, is why dark reign/siege-age sentry would shit-stomp wwh. he had actually learned to use some of his exotic abilities, like matter manipulation.

Sentry going Voidtry does not increase the amount of energy he has to expend, merely opens up other avenues (or rather, produces a more unfocussed dispersal) for those energies.

Hulk has dealt with matter manipulation from powerful beings and has fought (and smashed) beings orders of magnitude more powerful than Voidtry, in Hulk's more 'savage' incarnations.

I see nothing to indicate that somehow, by Sentry using energy attacks and attempting matter manipulation against Hulk, the result would be different.

The more likely scenario is that Hulk shrugs that off and delivers significantly more than a hellicarrier's worth of force back at Sentry/Voidtry.

Hulk is significantly more powerful than the average high herald, as shown by his ridiculously easy dismissal of LoebForce Rulk (even easier than Sentry's own tearing apart of Ares).

Originally posted by dmills
@Psycho,

Please get in here and salvage this thing mane.

Lol...I speak the truth. 😛

wwh-age sentry is an entirely different animal than siege-age sentry. implying that the latter wouldn't fair any better against hulk than the former is laughably ridiculous.

wwh-age sentry did all he could(or at least, all he knew how to do) against hulk at the time. fast-forward to the siege-age, and sentry had developed his powers(matter manipulation in particular) to the point that he was practically unkillable, and able overpower the matter manip. of molecule man himself.

siege-age sentry would shit-stomp hulk. end of story.

Originally posted by Galan007
at the time he originally battled wwh, that was an 'all-out' sentry-- a sentry whom evidently had no clue what he was capable of. however, it was revealed in subsequent arcs that there was much, MUCH more to his powers then had ever been hinted at before... which is why dark reign/siege-age sentry would utterly shit-stomp wwh.

pfft, that never happens.

That's not true. We knew from the very beginning that Sentry was pretty much the most powerful hero around. That was a big point of Jenkins' story.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's not true. We knew from the very beginning that Sentry was pretty much the most powerful hero around. That was a big point of Jenkins' story.

Okay?

What the hell does that matter when Bendis and Pak won't carry on Jenkins' work.

Don't try to use a good work as a foundation for an argument if you're going to top it off with garbage 😛

what part of that post isn't true, exactly? rhetorical question, because it's all true.

i just don't think you guys understood what i actually said.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Majestic certaintly has the power to beat World War Hulk.

Majestros has more skill, intensity, and vicousness than Sentry. The calming effect notwithstanding he performs just as well as Bob with ease.

Majestic does not have the power to beat World War Hulk. That was made explicitly clear throughout the whole event. Herald level power just was not going to cut at it against this Hulk even at his walking around strength.

Are you serious? Majestic would get his shit pushed in trying to fight Hulk straight up like Sentry did at the time. Majestic needs to rely on his speed and the blades to somehow take out this Hulk. He also needs to avoid locking up no matter the cost and making Hulk angry. Green Scar was as strong as him at his walking around strength.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Majestic does not have the power to beat World War Hulk. That was made explicitly clear throughout the whole event. Herald level power just was not going to cut at it against this Hulk even at his walking around strength.

You saying Thor or Surfer couldn't deal with WWH? 😱

Originally posted by curryman
Okay?

What the hell does that matter when Bendis and Pak won't carry on Jenkins' work.

Don't try to use a good work as a foundation for an argument if you're going to top it off with garbage 😛

Bendis' Sentry was plenty powerful and was similarly far above Herald level, wasn't that obvious? He was however often crippled by his fragile emotional state.

Pak's Sentry was also explicitly the most powerful guy around. We were hit over the head more than a few times that Sentry was the only guy around who had a shot at taking on Hulk straight up.

Originally posted by curryman
Herald level power?

You saying Thor or Surfer couldn't deal with WWH? 😱

I think Sentry at that point was pretty clearly in a higher gear then just Herald level. A level where he can easily crush someone like Terrax probably.

What do you mean deal? I'm sure some CBR like tricks would work but as things stand, I think only Thor/Superman have a shot at taking on this Hulk in a direct fight and it's most definitely not going to be anything short of some of their best days. And Majestic can't match that.

Originally posted by Galan007
wwh-age sentry is an entirely different animal than siege-age sentry. implying that the latter wouldn't fair any better against hulk than the former is laughably ridiculous.

wwh-age sentry did all he could(or at least, all he knew how to do) against hulk at the time. fast-forward to the siege-age, and sentry had developed his powers(matter manipulation in particular) to the point that he was practically unkillable, and able overpower the matter manip. of molecule man himself.

siege-age sentry would shit-stomp hulk. end of story.

You're still missing the part where Hulk became more powerful after that fight as well. Far more powerful.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think Sentry at that point was pretty clearly in a higher gear then just Herald level. A level where he can easily crush someone like Terrax probably.

What do you mean deal? I'm sure some CBR like tricks would work but as things stand, I think only Thor/Superman have a shot at taking on this Hulk in a direct fight and it's most definitely not going to be anything short of some of their best days. And Majestic can't match that.

Same with Sentry.

Just thought it was weird that Reed had weeks of prep and only tried the Sentry-Aura.

Didn't even use his focused planet-destroying gun from Annihilation.

Originally posted by curryman
Nothing in WWH made me think that Hulk was any stronger than any other herald.

Same with Sentry.

Just thought it was weird that Reed had weeks of prep and only tried the Sentry-Aura.

Didn't even use his focused planet-destroying gun from Annihilation.

Re-read the event then maybe.

It was, but would you rather have him use the Ultimate Nullifier only for walk to overpower it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Re-read the event then maybe.

It was, but would you rather have him use the Ultimate Nullifier only for walk to overpower it?

No need.

You can bring up those crazy "obviously beyond herald stopping power" feats right here in this thread. And then you can debate why Majestic simply lopping his head off wouldn't stop him.

Originally posted by carver9
You're still missing the part where Hulk became more powerful after that fight as well. Far more powerful.

Originally posted by Galan007
unless you're assuming that hulk became immune to molecule man-level matter manipulation, then it doesn't really matter how much stronger he became, does it?

Stated onpanel Owen was holding back.

Originally posted by carver9
Stated onpanel Owen was holding back.

Do you have the ability to discern an error on the part of the writer despite what is stated on panel?

And you have the audacity to say I, THE KING OF CANON, don't know power levels.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 😆

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Do you have the ability to discern an error on the part of the writer despite what is stated on panel?

And you have the audacity to say I, THE KING OF CANON, don't know power levels.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 😆

Again, stated on panel, Owen was holding back.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, stated on panel, Owen was holding back.

It is an abberation. Comprable to the Sentry VS World War Hulk fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Majestic does not have the power to beat World War Hulk. That was made explicitly clear throughout the whole event. Herald level power just was not going to cut at it against this Hulk even at his walking around strength.

Are you serious? Majestic would get his shit pushed in trying to fight Hulk straight up like Sentry did at the time. Majestic needs to rely on his speed and the blades to somehow take out this Hulk. He also needs to avoid locking up no matter the cost and making Hulk angry. Green Scar was as strong as him at his walking around strength.

I am very serious about Majestros's ability to engage World War Hulk directly. It won't be an extended slugfest comprable to the Sentry fight because Majestros is much more skilled, focused and brutal.

Sentry was inexplicably slower and less intense than a being who was going "All out".