Originally posted by carver9
Sentry stated he WASN'T holding back because he didn't have to against the Hulk. Stated on panel...Owen WAS HOLDING back. Accept it and move on.
I'll accept the BREADTH of CANON rather than select instances that don't correspond with it.
Sentry "Wasn't" going all out. His later appearances which do count indicate that. The aforementioned appearances also indicate that Sentry could pull of that feat against Molecule Man.
You would never accept a low showing from Hulk that didn't connect with his overall canon.
Originally posted by carver9this is a classic case of you not reading the issue itself, and instead, taking other posters' interpretations at face value. while it's true that owen was stated to be holding back during a few of his appearances in dark reign, it was never stated(or even alluded to) that he held back against sentry during their final confrontation-- heck it was never explicitly stated throughout that entire issue(dark avengers #12) that owen was holding back.
Stated onpanel Owen was holding back.
here is the entire battle from start to finish:
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as you can see, owen actually appears to be pissed off and not holding back(scans 3-5). sentry then proceeds to overpower owen's matter manip. with his own--owen is clearly shocked by this--before destroying him outright(scans 5-7).
Originally posted by curryman
No need.You can bring up those crazy "obviously beyond herald stopping power" feats right here in this thread. And then you can debate why Majestic simply lopping his head off wouldn't stop him.
Do you want some kind of list? If you can't understand why he's beyond Herald level when an explicitly holding back Hulk trying not to kill anyone at walking around strength can beat Hercules to a pulp in a hand full of blows, stalemate and stop Juggernaut, beat the shit out of Black Bolt (Later retconned to be a Skrull but still notable). And most importantly, stalemate an all-out Sentry, then I can't help you. As far as Pak was concerned, Hulk's stomach was stronger then Heralds.
If Majestic can successfully decapitate Hulk, he should win. With sufficient radiation, Hulk can come back from atomization and while I wouldn't put it past Green Scar to heal decapitation, I don't think he's ever done anything of the sort.
Originally posted by Galan007
this is a classic case of you not reading the issue itself, and instead, taking other posters' interpretations at face value. while it's true that owen was stated to be holding back during a few of his appearances in dark reign, it was never stated(or even alluded to) that he held back against sentry during their final confrontation-- heck it was never explicitly stated throughout that entire issue(dark avengers #12) that owen was holding back.here is the entire battle from start to finish:
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16279166_Dark_Avengers_12_010.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16279167_Dark_Avengers_12_011-12.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16279168_Dark_Avengers_12_013.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16279169_Dark_Avengers_12_014.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16279170_Dark_Avengers_12_015.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16279171_Dark_Avengers_12_016.jpg]
[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16279172_Dark_Avengers_12_017.jpg]
as you can see, owen actually appears to be pissed off and not holding back(scans 3-5). sentry then proceeds to overpower owen's matter manip. with his own--owen is clearly shocked by this--before destroying him outright(scans 5-7).
That Carver is tricksy.
I will have to double check his claims more often.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I am very serious about Majestros's ability to engage World War Hulk directly. It won't be an extended slugfest comprable to the Sentry fight because Majestros is much more skilled, focused and brutal.Sentry was inexplicably slower and less intense than a being who was going "All out".
Then you clearly have no idea what this Hulk is capable of. Majestic won't last long in a direct fight. He simply isn't strong or powerful enough.
😂
The entire point of the fight was that Sentry was finally able to cut loose, he'd finally found someone who he can hit without having to worry about killing. He had gone so far that the power had become intoxicating. He wasn't blood thirsty like Doomsday, but you don't have to be to cut loose.
And why do you thing he was inexplicably slower? Because Hulk was able to hit him? Hulk will be able to tag Majestic just fine like he has other super fast flying opponents. Just like Majestic has been tagged by various other super bricks and opponents.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Then you clearly have no idea what this Hulk is capable of. Majestic won't last long in a direct fight. He simply isn't strong or powerful enough.😂
The entire point of the fight was that Sentry was finally able to cut loose, he'd finally found someone who he can hit without having to worry about killing. He had gone so far that the power had become intoxicating. He wasn't blood thirsty like Doomsday, but you don't have to be to cut loose.
And why do you thing he was inexplicably slower? Because Hulk was able to hit him? Hulk will be able to tag Majestic just fine like he has other super fast flying opponents. Just like Majestic has been tagged by various other super bricks and opponents.
Majestic is at his best her per the rules.
A "Direct" battle to me is as follows.
White/Crimson blur= Hulk getting rocked
Hulk recovers.
White/ Crimson blur+ Hacl/slash= Hilk bits and blood flying around.
Hulk recovers.
Repeat for effectiveness.
Majestros outlands Hulk with a combination of superior speed and combat skills and experience.
Pak's Sentry was taken straight from Jenkin's interpretation. More faithfully than Bendis' probably. Never understood the myth that he intended to write a weakened Sentry, as if he was somehow unaware that Sentry was the most powerful guy around.
If you aren't Thor or Superman -on a great day- don't even bother getting into the ring with Green Scar.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
To RageOfOlympus,How much stronger is WWH at default status than Majestic?
At least as strong. Sometimes astronomically stronger. Hard to beg down due to how much he can fluctuate, particularly since he holds back depending on the who he's facing. He could go from Banner to World Breaker on a whim by the end there.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Majestic is at his best her per the rules.A "Direct" battle to me is as follows.
White/Crimson blur= Hulk getting rocked
Hulk recovers.
White/ Crimson blur+ Hacl/slash= Hilk bits and blood flying around.
Hulk recovers.
Repeat for effectiveness.
Majestros outlands Hulk with a combination of superior speed and combat skills and experience.
😂
Yea, that's definitely how the fight would go.
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