Gin vs Wind Waker Link

He won't get close enough to use the sword because Gin's gonna be 8 miles away bitchsmacking him with it like a gigantic, sharp whip.

Also let's not forget Gin has access to Kido. Probably high level as well, at least low 90 level spells.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Link is slower than Gin.

Drop the lightning-timing bullshit you stupid polock.

Edit:

Originally posted by KingD19
He won't get close enough to use the sword because Gin's gonna be 8 miles away bitchsmacking him with it like a gigantic, sharp whip.

In most of Gin's fight, he's come out of the gate with his Shikai. Which is apparently equal to 100 times his zanpakuto's original length. And once he started using his Bankai, he had no problem slapping at people from a distance. That's his fighting style because that's how his Zanpakuto works.

But as I said, he also has Kido that Link might not be able to handle. Like sealing spells, barriers, AoE attacks that all do incredible amounts of damage.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Gin stomps.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Stop being a dense ******. <3 Even without that Ganon's hypersonic across the three most recent games he's been in. 🙂

Originally posted by KingD19
In most of Gin's fight, he's come out of the gate with his Shikai. Which is apparently equal to 100 times his zanpakuto's original length. And once he started using his Bankai, he had no problem slapping at people from a distance. That's his fighting style because that's how his Zanpakuto works.

But as I said, he also has Kido that Link might not be able to handle. Like sealing spells, barriers, AoE attacks that all do incredible amounts of damage.

Also, Link has high level protection from most spells because of his weapon.

Originally posted by ares834

Originally posted by NemeBro
A. When?
B. So is Gin.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I don't see why Gin would stay away from Link in a sword fight.

Other than that its his fighting style?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Even assuming he goes Bankai right off the bat WW Link has greater reflexes (based on what I've seen and been told thus far)

I highly doubt it. Bleach characters react to hypersonic attacks millimeters from their eyes all the time.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
and his magic arrows ain't something to **** with. You can handle a shockwave? All right, neat, how about ice that flash freezes lava and cools the inside of a volcano to habitable levels? To say nothing of a light arrow. The non-magical versions of these things can get through the Cyclos, god of cyclones, cyclone.

Gin will just dodge those.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm not sure why teleportation's a big deal either, it's a common power for Zelda enemies. None of them can counter the Deku Leaf's might.

Its just an explanation of why none of Links attacks will hit.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I have no idea what I'm looking at for destructive power in that last scan. I went back and forward a few times and all I could find of note were the buildings Gin cut in half, what I assume was a getsuga from Ichigo, and more penis jokes. mmm The effect in the sky?

Yes, that middle panel shows the mere shockwave of Gin's attack extending higher than apartment buildings.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm still of the mind that Ganon is an all around tougher enemy. It's just a different set of challenges. Link has versatility and combat speed on his side, Gin seems to have physical might and mobility.

Lol, 'combat speed.'

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Durability is a wash since they can both hurt each other, if Gin gets stuck full of sword it's gonna hurt because sword, and it's gonna hurt because magic sword. If Link does it's gonna hurt because sword. And I guess also because penis jokes.

Is there something I'm missing?

Ok, but as Bloodrain said, Gin has taken city-block busters to the face with only a scratch. And as a shinigami he can take wounds incredibly well (Bleach characters regularly take deep chest wounds, dismemberment etc and keep fighting. They can survive being bisected). One hit won't beat him.

Why is my name intrepid37? Are you cheating on me? Will reply later, it's ungodly hot here so I'm going to go hurl myself bodily into Lake Ontario.

Quick recap. I am not (yet!) claiming Link wins a majority here. I just don't see this as Gin walking through it with ease like so many are claiming, I think Link is being underestimated. He was pretty much created to fight outside his own weight class. shrug All I'm looking for is some acknowledgement that hey, maybe Link makes a fight of it, takes a few wins, or a scan that shows Gin doing something Link just has no way of handling, I guess. mmm

Lol

You've been arguing to much against Intrepid37.

Is WW Link a lightning timer?

The little guy's claim to fame has always been that he's the most durable of all the Links, but I'm not sure he has the same speed. Ganondorf is demonstrably faster than him, and there's precious little else to gauge his speed with.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Why is my name intrepid37? Are you cheating on me? Will reply later, it's ungodly hot here so I'm going to go hurl myself bodily into Lake Ontario.

I'm replying to him at the same time as you.

I'm just too much man for any one debate. 😎

Originally posted by The Scenario
Is WW Link a lightning timer?

The little guy's claim to fame has always been that he's the most durable of all the Links, but I'm not sure he has the same speed. Ganondorf is demonstrably faster than him, and there's precious little else to gauge his speed with.

/Leaves for real real.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Makes sense, so why not, though I don't think the gap on actual physical strength will be that wide here. shrug

The magic armour isn't in any cutscenes or stuff to my knowledge, so what it can 'tank' is an unknown, like most Zelda invulnerability items, he can't be hurt while it's up in gameplay. Link receives it from a wandering Inuit merchant who says it summons up mystical force to protect your body from harm, and it works during the Ganon fight. So there's that. Link himself is more durable than steel and concrete buildings by mid game, end game isn't really known but he does take a direct shit kicking from Ganondorf without lasting harm. The magic armour should improve on his durability.

Hm. So evil enough? Lel. Also, there's no way to say for certain that the Master Sword works in degrees with it's evil smiting, would it hold back because Gin is less evil? Would it go full on kablamo because evil is evil and **** evil? I'm not sure, but I will say that from what I've seen so far, durability is a wash, since Ganon wasn't actually harmed by the castle bust, and he seems to have the greater damage soak, since he continued speaking with his head impaled. I don't think Gin could do that.

Aren't swords in bleach attached to/made out of their wielders spirit or something? Speculative theory here: Mehbeh MS gets mad and breaks off chunks of it?

Not with a sword though the face, no (lol). Still, this is a guy who took an attack a bit above TP's Castle-Busting and only suffered a single small scratch on his head. Equal, maybe. Earrrmmm, ish yes. The blade are spiritual, melded with the uses spirit.. something.. but no matter what has happened, including stabbing a sword though a sword, has ever affected the blades spirit.

Soo from the 'why not' assumptions we've left with..; A guy that's stronger than Dorf's with his durability, with faster attacks and greater range. And this time without Zelda to aid him, wont go down so well. Maybe not one-sided, but in Gin's favour.

I will reiterate that Gin has access to high level Kido. Which are a lot of high end energy attacks that Link doesn't really have an answer to or a way to defend against.

The Master Sword might be able to deal with Kido since it can repel magic.

Gin hasn't really shown any useful Kido either way.

Kido isn't really "magic" in that sense though. It's basically weaponized Reiryoku(Spirit Energy). If it's considered magic and called spells that's more through the use of the incantations to get the desired results, than actual magic.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Gin hasn't really shown any useful Kido either way.

We know that as a Child Prodigy and Captain of the 3rd Squad and one of the most powerful people in the Gotei 13 and the Espada that he knows Kido and more than likely has access to the higher numbered spells.

Even the lower numbers could cause problems for Link.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Other than that its his fighting style?

I highly doubt it. Bleach characters react to hypersonic attacks millimeters from their eyes all the time.

Gin will just dodge those.

Its just an explanation of why none of Links attacks will hit.

Yes, that middle panel shows the mere shockwave of Gin's attack extending higher than apartment buildings.

Lol, 'combat speed.'

Ok, but as Bloodrain said, Gin has taken city-block busters to the face with only a scratch. And as a shinigami he can take wounds incredibly well (Bleach characters regularly take deep chest wounds, dismemberment etc and keep fighting. They can survive being bisected). One hit won't beat him.

Are any of these Bleach characters Gin, or at least shown to have slower combat speed than Gin?

How fast is Bankai Ichigo as of whenever they fought?

Link hit Ganondorf, who going by what I've been shown, is faster.

The buildings nearby are notably intact, and he was at ground level. Impressive in itself, but not huge in terms of destruction. Imho Midna's spear to the dome would hurt moar.

So he has good durability and some damage soak, handy to know, but I still don't think it compares to Ganondorf who was completely unharmed by Midna and can still speak for a few moments after having the Master Sword put directly through his brain.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Maybe for a stronger Link, not so much WW iirc. Soo Dorf level resistance? If so then he's taking hits from a guy who at the very best is at OoTGG level, which is still somewhere below Gin's physical strength. Assuming the M.Armor does in fact resist Gin's attacks, by sheer force it wont be close to tanking him.

Not with a sword though the face, no (lol). Still, this is a guy who took an attack a bit above TP's Castle-Busting and only suffered a single small scratch on his head. Equal, maybe. Earrrmmm, ish yes. The blade are spiritual, melded with the uses spirit.. something.. but no matter what has happened, including stabbing a sword though a sword, has ever affected the blades spirit.

Soo from the 'why not' assumptions we've left with..; A guy that's stronger than Dorf's with his durability, with faster attacks and greater range. And this time without Zelda to aid him, wont go down so well. Maybe not one-sided, but in Gin's favour.

I have a dislike for calling 'cutting things in half' '____ level destruction', because it paints a more impressive picture than what's going on. Gin did not completely annihilate them or shatter them, he cut them in half. It takes more force to smash a brick of butter than bisect it with a knife. uhuh If we accept that the magic armour is effective against Ganon, then I see no reason it would not be effective against Gin.

Yeah, Gin took a very powerful attack with little harm, I don't know that it was stronger than Midna's attack, but even so, he was damaged if only slightly, Ganon was completely unscratched. shrug Which makes it hard to truly quantify Ganon's durability and how much the sword can bypass, but leaves me comfortable in saying it could delimb or impale Gin should the blade land there.

So the swords can be damaged by each other? Theoretically Link could lop pieces of it off with the MS?

Gin compared to Ganondorf as Link fought him:
Gin's strength relative to Ganondorf is unknown, either could have cut those buildings up.
He has 'similar' durability, I'm leaning to less since Ganon shrugged that shit off and we don't know how much it takes to damage him, with significantly less damage soak.
Ganondorf's lightning time combat speed, and able to easily avoid all of OoT/WW Link's arrows or block them and can teleport just like Gin can.
Gin has much greater range because of his Boner Sword, and has more mobility than Link does, but he doesn't want to be hit with a magic arrow, and it's seeming likely the Master Sword will allow Link to chop up pieces of his zanpakuto (sp?)

Gin compared to WW Link:
Gin is stronger physically, but Link has defenses like his shield, sword, and the magic armour, and the gap doesn't seem all that wide.
Link's weapon is more deadly and forces a direct confrontation, can likely chop up pieces of Gin's weapon.
Gin is far more mobile, and can likely dodge most of Link's ranged attacks (I doubt all)
Durability is Gin's, but it doesn't really matter since the MS should overcome that.

So advantages are:

Gin: Strength, mobility/movement speed, range.

WW Link: Weaponry, versatility (defenses, magic), and seemingly combat speed.

He also has the Deku Leaf.

Durability's moot, Gin can hurt Link and Link's sword can hurt Gin, but Link has the magic armour and shield so he's scoring more defensive points.

This is my current assessment of things. If you have moar Gin scans and you can get him a solid combat speed advantage I'd cede he probably takes majority.

Originally posted by KingD19
We know that as a Child Prodigy and Captain of the 3rd Squad and one of the most powerful people in the Gotei 13 and the Espada that he knows Kido and more than likely has access to the higher numbered spells.

Even the lower numbers could cause problems for Link.