Originally posted by ares834
Except, he isn't slowing it down. It's magical lightning its properties don't have to be the same as real lightning and therefore move as fast. It's the same way with Force Lightning from Star Wars or lightning in Avatar: TLA/Korra.
The developers specifically gave him unique, lightning animations.
Also, since when is force lightning slow? Is this some EU thing I don't know about? And is it made clear in universe, or is it just an assumption?
Jedi can block and dodge force lightning after its been fired as seen many times and they aren't close to lightning-timers.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Then your tune has changed, you've outright denied several times that these instances even were lightning.They certainly don't resemble glitter. Yes, it sets the floor on fire, because [b]lightning is hot.
Wait, what? You're the one assigning attributes to it not inherent to lightning while discussing lightning. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck. It's a duck. "It's magic so it's different" not only doesn't hold up if you can't support it, it actually ceases to make sense at all when you realize you're essentially arguing Ganondorf magically engineered slow lightning just to **** himself over. You do see the problem there, right?
And the only time it takes ball form is when the player has to deflect it, in gameplay. Do you want little sideways Z's flying across the screen? 😬 [/B]
Magic lightning isn't lightning. Its magic. Its not made out of electrostatic discharge, its made out of magic.
It certainly does resemble glitter. No shit, except the fire is the exactly same color as the 'lightning' and is connected to it as well. You can see in the middle that it melts the floor, not set it on fire. Floor tiles don't set on fire anyway.
As I said, it isn't real lightning, its magic. If its a magical duck, its not an actual duck and need not have the exact same attributes. I don't need to support it, you're the one claiming its as fast as lightning without any proof, you need to support it. You're assuming that he has a superior alternative and is handicapping himself. He isn't slowing it down on purpose, its simply what he can produce. The same as Force Lightning or Avatar lightning as ares said.
That wasn't the question. Is it a lightning bolt or ball lightning? Which one does it demonstrate the properties of actually being? Because its a ball when I look at it so I know which one it more closely resembles to me!
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's properties don't have to be different
They don't have to be anything. As I said, with magic you can't assume anything since its an inherently illogical phenomena. So they don't have to be the same either.
Magic lightning isn't lightning. Its magic. Its not made out of electrostatic discharge, its made out of magic.
It certainly does resemble glitter. No shit, except the fire is the exactly same color as the 'lightning' and is connected to it as well. You can see in the middle that it melts the floor, not set it on fire. Floor tiles don't set on fire anyway
Also, inb4 you claim that's a magic floor made of magic because it's on fire.
As I said, it isn't real lightning, its magic.Nope nope nope. Henceforth I'll be using 'magical' to prevent this kind of word play. Ganon isn't a green lantern. The things he creates are real, not constructs. This can be seen in his minions.
If its a magical duck, its not an actual duck and need not have the exact same attributes. I don't need to support it, you're the claiming its as fast as lightning without any proof, you need to support it. You're assuming that he has a superior alternative and is handicapping himself. He isn't slowing it down on purpose, its simply what he can produce. The same as Force Lightning or Avatar lightning as ares said.
You're arguing he can create thunderstorms that cover the entirety of the Great Sea, but not a single bolt of lightning. haermm Ganondorf is capable of creating lightning, we've seen this in aLttP and Oot. In fact he's capable of feats of magic far in excess of this.
^Interesting, this looks like forked lightning to me.
Jedi can block and dodge force lightning after its been fired as seen many times and they aren't close to lightning-timers.
In AotC Obi-Wan blocks Dooku's lightning after he fires it by raising his lightsaber and Dooku blocks Yoda throwing his own lightning back at him with his hand. Both move after the attacks already started. In Swtor the Consular leaps aside to dodge a bolt after its been thrown and in Dynasty of Evil an untrained Force user dodges Darth Banes lightning again after its been thrown. And that wouldn't be a high showing. They'd be thousands of times faster than they are anywhere else. Plus the movies are consistently low in terms of showings.
Originally posted by BloodRain
What was the verdict on Avatar lighting and Sasuke's Kirin? No way in hell are these verses lightning times, but these two are cases with manipulating nature, both cloud to ground if including the once Iroh and Zuko caught, so a tad confused (again).
Well in the case of Kirin it was flat out stated as he was performing the attack that its way, way too fast for anyone to dodge actual lightning. And in Avatar Iroh moves to redirect it before the lightning actually appears so I guess he just guessed it was coming.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This much I'm aware of, the SW EU always rubbed me the wrong way partially because of this. Death Star? SUNCRUSHER!Urg, that all sounds effing wierd to me. I'm off to pursue scans, excerpts and generally drown myself in geekdom.
Force Lightning genuinely isn't real lightning, since its made of darkside energy and can be purple. I believe they can bring down actual bolts from the sky on occasion though.
Also its more that in the EU they can tear starships from the sky and disintegrate opponents and shit while in the movies Yoda strains with a relatively small piece of metal.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteMy god the other arm must be able to crush the, use by now..
Months of replying back to Quan one handed. 131
Originally posted by NephthysItachi propping up Susanoo after it was fired? Both doing it in succession iirc, and what of the lightning they create?
Well in the case of Kirin it was flat out stated as he was performing the attack that its way, way too fast for anyone to dodge actual lightning. And in Avatar Iroh moves to redirect it before the lightning actually appears so I guess he just guessed it was coming.Force Lightning genuinely isn't real lightning, since its made of darkside energy and can be purple. I believe they can bring down actual bolts from the sky on occasion though.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Itachi propping up Susanoo after it was fired? Both doing it in succession iirc, and what of the lightning they create?
I dunno if it was after it was fired but I guess all he needed to do was think it to pop it. So maybe his speed of thought is ridiculously high.
I don't recall Zuko blocking lightning from the sky ever, certainly not in the same episode. And Zuko managed to run over, shout 'noooo!' and jump in front of Azula's lightning after she'd fired it at Katara so its definitely not full-speed given that non-benders are just as fast as benders and they're normal humans. Ty Lee for instance can take out whole platoons with sheer speed and she's a normal teenaged girl.
Originally posted by NephthysSame guys reactions are below high tier speed though.
I dunno if it was after it was fired but I guess all he needed to do was think it to pop it. So maybe his speed of thought is ridiculously high.I don't recall Zuko blocking lightning from the sky ever, certainly not in the same episode. And Zuko managed to run over, shout 'noooo!' and jump in front of Azula's lightning after she'd fired it at Katara so its definitely not full-speed given that non-benders are just as fast as benders and they're normal humans. Ty Lee for instance can take out whole platoons with sheer speed and she's a normal teenaged girl.
Was in the ep where he was yelling at the clouds to strike him? Could be mistaken. As said won't ever think that Naruto or Avatar are at this speed, which is why the use of natural lightning gets me thinking. Or is it cloud to ground only?
Originally posted by BloodRainHis claims of lightning timer is hilarious. He just ignores evidence, rate of speed, and pretends he is a lightning timer when swords hit him along with arrows. Awful.
You came in when this was only about Gin.. you don't know Gin.. or WW Link.
Originally posted by AuraAngelQuit being so ultra sensitive. Go back to your video game versus you helped destroy.
Such wonderful debating.
Originally posted by quanchi112
His claims of lightning timer is hilarious. He just ignores evidence, rate of speed, and pretends he is a lightning timer when swords hit him along with arrows. Awful. Quit being so ultra sensitive. Go back to your video game versus you helped destroy.
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