Thor vs A Planet

Originally posted by dmills

Seriously, you're better off going with H1a8's dumb "it didn't happen except for that time that it did" argument, rather than going with the dumber "it's a shared feat that he didn't really even contribute much too" argument.

Comics don't work like real life in that sense. Just because something happened doesn't mean it can really happen. Spider-man beat Firelord. But does that mean he can really beat firelord? Do you see the contradictions that would create?

The problems lies in artistic license. Character's power levels fluctuate from comic to comic depending on the writer's opinion and the plot of the story. You get contradictions everywhere. So please no more "since it happened then it is the case always" logic.

Bottom line: considering the Gorr feat ONLY then yes. Outside of that I say no.

Originally posted by zopzop

Is Gorr doing the majority of it? Why not? He was powerful enough to beat THREE THORS.

Now, do the panels support Gorr being the person responsible for the majority of the damage that we saw during that exchange? Is that even hinted at? Even a little bit?

Originally posted by dmills
Now, do the panels support Gorr being the person responsible for the majority of the damage that we saw during that exchange? Is that even hinted at? Even a little bit?

It clearly isn't. Not at all. No one sane, objective, or who has actually read the comic can look at that scan and contend that Gorr was even contributing to the planets being destroyed, let alone the majority of the damage.

It's nonsensical in every sense in the word. 😐

Originally posted by dmills
Now, do the panels support Gorr being the person responsible for the majority of the damage that we saw during that exchange? Is that even hinted at? Even a little bit?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It clearly isn't. Not at all. No one sane, objective, or who has actually read the comic can look at that scan and contend that Gorr was even contributing to the planets being destroyed, let alone the majority of the damage.

It's nonsensical in every sense in the word. 😐

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But what evidence do you have of this? I have read every Simonson issue and I can guarantee you that this was never implied even once. And he created Beta Ray Bill.

So this applies only to Thor/Bill because they have magical hammers or anyone?

I'm not claiming that someone said their combined hammer-hit created a special effect, I'm saying it's terrible ****ing logic to assume that Thor could create half of that on his own when the result is a combination of their two weapons.

Will Thor be striking something as hard and powerful as Stormbreaker when he's trying to recreate half of that feat on his own?

Let's say that Thor and Thor both punch eachother and a galaxy explodes. Do you see how it is faulty to claim that either of them could destroy half a galaxy of their own?

Originally posted by zopzop
The fact that he beat the crap out of THREE THORS at the SAME TIME, one of them at least Trans level, says yes it's more than possible he was supplying the majority of the damage.

Yes, nonsense. I mean he didn't just go on to trash THREE THORS simultaneously or anything.

Show me in the actual narration or art that Gorr was contributing half of what Thor was doing (if at all).

I can even post the scene in question for you:

I'm giving you the actual evidence you need to make your claim, not just baseless speculation. So, where in that page is it stated or even hinted at that Gorr assisted in the world breaking? You don't even need to prove he did the majority of the damage, just half.

Hell, point out where Gorr helped at all period.

Originally posted by h1a8

Bottom line: considering the Gorr feat ONLY then yes. Outside of that I say no.

So in other words, he can but just doesn't/chooses not to. Because that's the only thing that would make what you said make any sense at all.

Saying "considering the gorr feat ONLY, then yes. outside of that no" is a non answer. What kind of line straddling bullshit is that man lol?

Originally posted by zopzop
The fact that he beat the crap out of THREE THORS at the SAME TIME, one of them at least Trans level, says yes it's more than possible he was supplying the majority of the damage.

Yes, nonsense. I mean he didn't just go on to trash THREE THORS simultaneously or anything.

Was the planet shattering a Gorr feat and was it supported by the panels and narration, YES OR NO ZOP?

Was the planet shattering a Gorr feat and was it supported by the panels and narration, YES OR NO ZOP?

Phucking crickets now.

You Thor fans have the patience of phucking Job I swear.

Good night.

😂 why is something that happened on panel being argued

And @H1 did you say Thor busting a planet is as inconceivable as freaking spiderman dropping a herald of Galactus...

Wtf is wrong with some people!

Originally posted by h1a8
As Phil said, only if you look at the Gorr fight. But in general I say no

IOW, you're ignoring feats.

It shows Thor hammering Gorr, it says Thor is hammering Gorr, it shows a planet shattering, it says planets are shattering, so what is the logical conclusion?

That the feat is an unusable shared feat and no planet was broken of course 👆 Phucking ridiculous.

The thread asks of Thor has the capacity to break a planet, the answer is yes. With 5 shots? Easily. From the sheer damage he caused miles in space indirectly slamming Gorr to the planet underneath, he'd wreck a planet if he hit it directly. Don't see why not in one shot if that's what he's going for either. And that should be the end of that 👆

I definitely think there was more than just physical force in the Mjolnir/Strombreaker smashing feat.

But the Gorr feat shows Thor can easily shatter planets with a few blows. Yes, it may be a "shared" feat but the fact is the force required to blow planets up by shock-waves would be far higher than if Thor physically hit the planet.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It outright said that the planet was being shattered. Either you accept on panel narration or you don't. Not to mention wee actually see Thor destroying the planet with Gorr.

Also, I should get in touch with the writer and email him your interpretation of the comic just so he can have a laugh.

Now you're doing that after the last time's desperate attempts? Laughable.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
wut

There's a huge difference between this and Gladiator's feat. Here, Thor is rocking an enemy clearly more powerful than he is, displaying both strength (not sure why Thor has to lift/push a massive object in order for it to "count" when striking feats are more relevant in combat applications by far) and damage soak as he is fighting in spite of being cut up and stabbed by Gorr. Furthermore, Thor's endangering worlds he's not even fighting on through the repeated blows of Mjolnir in addition to the world he was fighting on. So, yes, this feat certainly holds waaaaay more weight in terms of a fight than Gladiator's feat.

Hell, let's be frank. This feat shits on Gladiator wailing on a planet by himself by several magnitudes of impressiveness and badassery.

Originally posted by carver9
Its still hyperbole, hypocrite. No matter how you put it (even though that ft was destroyed 3 times over).

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol... What?

There's only one person I'll routinely go after. You know who that is since he constantly puts his foot in his mouth... Makes it easier...
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Originally posted by zopzop
It took BOTH their hammers colliding INSIDE the portal. How would Thor have done it by himself? How does this translate into planet busting by himself?

Show me scans of him planet busting WITHOUT it being shared by another person. You can't because he's never done it. Not in 40+ years and who knows how many HUNDREDS (thousands?) of issues.

That's why we keep dancing around this subject.

Yup. And God help you if you question the shared feats. The daggers come out.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I got to pages 5 or 6, all I read is Zopzop asking for more than Gorr feat; and then reading how that is more than enough despite, what? 20 years of feats?

It's okay, I don't disagree with you. I think Thor can destroy a planter, just not purely using his strength. He would need to use some enchnaced power

So lemme summarise.

Thor hit Gorr really hard.
The result was planets and moons Thor did not touch directly breaking apart.
We are given explicit narration and shown several times that Thor is hitting Gorr really hard.

People doubt Thor could bust a planet with a direct blow, meant to bust said planet? Hm.

Earlier in the run there was a statement about Mjolnir being able to crack planets like pebbles or something. I'll go see if I can find it.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So because its more impressive and badass it somehow counts but at the same time Gladiator's "big space rock busting" doesn't? What kind of logic is that? Not to mention planet busting isn't anything new to marvel and DC heroes. What is surprising that it took Thor 50 years to accumulate one feat of that and it took several strikes and the planet was only beginning to shatter.

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Thor's feat was an actual combat feat. He was fighting a being more powerful than he was and the planetary destruction was a side effect of those blows. Gladiator was wailing on an empty planet directly and eventually wrecked it after several blows and wasn't a combat feat. In short, Thor wasn't trying to destroy a planet but was intend trying to defeat Gorr. In fact, upon discovering he was threatening innocent lives, he stopped his assault to save them. That's several orders of magnitudes higher than Gladiator's feat in pretty much every way that matters.

If you can't honestly see how and why Thor's feat is far more impressive and definitely "counts" more so as it pertains to combat settings than Gladiator's...well, I really don't know what to tell you outside of helpfully suggesting to re-read the comics again.

The scan was indeed up in the respect thread. "Able to shatter whole planets as easy as pebbles."

It's been said here, said during the Gorr fight, and shown during the Gorr fight that even indirect blows could cause grievous damage to a planet. I'm of the mind that yes, Thor can. With one blow more than likely.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Being shattered. Not shattered already. Show me the scan of the planet being totally shattered. It shouldn't be hard to.

Now you're doing that after the last time's desperate attempts? Laughable.
So because its more impressive and badass it somehow counts but at the same time Gladiator's "big space rock busting" doesn't? What kind of logic is that? Not to mention planet busting isn't anything new to marvel and DC heroes. What is surprising that it took Thor 50 years to accumulate one feat of that and it took several strikes and the planet was only beginning to shatter.
You can shout it all you want. Means nothing. Destroyed by who carter?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And you get destroyed every time.