Thor vs A Planet

Originally posted by zopzop
And what have you contributed except for cheerleading and trolling?

At least I'm attempting to back up my position with scans and attempting to answer the OP's question. It's also telling that Team Thor is clinging to this SHARED Gorr/Thor feat , because nothing in Thor's 50+ years of history backs up their claims.

I believe it's time we got a mod ruling on this matter to shut you up for good.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Calling you out on your bullshit, without entertaining your bullshit, as other posters are doing so generously.

I believe it's time we got a mod ruling on this matter to shut you up for good.

Originally posted by zopzop
The very fact that Gorr was actively fighting Thor says he was contributing to it. It wasn't like he was standing still, totally oblivious to Thor's presence as Thor wailed away on him (like the Exitar example).

You can keep repeating the same incorrect logic, you'd still be wrong.

"Actively fighting back" does not prove "contributing to force". No matter how many times you keep repeating it. There is as much on panel proof of him providing the force in the scene in question as Exitar did in the scene I cited.

Ravenous was "actively fighting" the Surfer when the Surfer decided to blow up the planet. Was that a "shared feat" as well?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You can keep repeating the same incorrect logic, you'd still be wrong.

"Actively fighting back" does not prove "contributing to force". No matter how many times you keep repeating it. There is as much on panel proof of him providing the force in the scene in question as Exitar did in the scene I cited.

One foe was totally oblivious and ignoring Thor the other was engaged in a fight with him. How you can't see the difference is beyond me.

Ravenous was "actively fighting" the Surfer when the Surfer decided to blow up the planet. Was that a "shared feat" as well?

Originally posted by zopzop
How is it chicken scratch?

You wrongly stated that my original position wasn't "it was a shared feat" when that's what it's been all along. You had nothing to do with that statement since it was me replying to Ahbi who was replying to Cele and it wasn't even in this thread.

And now comes the obfuscation. You know damn well that I didn't say that your original position wasn't that it was a shared feat. I said;

No, that was your position prior to me applying the scalpel to your argument and cutting out the BS. When under duress you gradually changed to this;

We know what your original opinion was. And I pointed out to you that it was asinine. So you went with "Gorr provided the vast majority of the power for the feat"

You also want me to prove, as if that was possible with SHARED FEATS, which party was doing most of the "heavy lifting". That's not possible. All we can do is speculate. Team Thor will of course say it was Thor. But Team Gorr can also RIGHTLY say it was Gorr. He had enough power to beat Trans/High Herald/Low-Mid Herald beings at the same time. How is it a leap of logic to say Gorr could have, and possibly was proving, most of the power in that shard feat?

Muddying the waters huh? I'm asking you to provide an argument from the panels, narration and art where it shows that it could be attributed to Gorr. In other words, that pesky proof of team Gorr's {you} assertion.

It should be simple because it's all spelled out for you in the material. What you're attempting to do is to get all of us [down] on your level and imagine what could've happened if it we hadn't all been reading it in reality. For the readers of the material no leaps in logic are required. But unfortunately for your version of events, a lot of imagination is...

Originally posted by dmills
And now comes the obfuscation. You know damn well that I didn't say that your original position wasn't that it was a shared feat. I said;

We know what your original opinion was. And I pointed out to you that it was asinine. So you went with "Gorr provided the vast majority of the power for the feat"

Muddying the waters huh? I'm asking you to provide an argument from the panels, narration and art where it shows that it could be attributed to Gorr. In other words, that pesky proof of team Gorr's {you} assertion.

It should be simple because it's all spelled out for you in the material. What you're attempting to do is to get all of us [down] on your level and imagine what could've happened if it we hadn't all been reading it in reality. For the readers of the material no leaps in logic are required. But unfortunately for your version of events, a lot of imagination is...

A being capable of killing THREE THORS that was AMPING off the lifeforce of dying GODS was engaged in a fight with Thor. Hence why it's a shared feat.

Now how much each side was contributing is up for debate. I say it's entirely possible that Gorr was providing most of the power because of his power level. You say it was Thor. We'll never agree on this so what's the point of repeating the same question when you already know both my answer and my reasoning behind the answer?

Originally posted by zopzop

Actually it's not incorrect.

One foe was totally oblivious and ignoring Thor the other was engaged in a fight with him. How you can't see the difference is beyond me.

And as you've decided to ignore my point altogether, I'm just gonna go ahead and repost it to allow it to time sink in:

Originally posted by Nibedicus
There is as much on panel proof of him providing the force in the scene in question as Exitar did in the scene I cited.

Originally posted by zopzop
Uhm yes. You can see he's actively resisting/fighting Surfer :

Of course you can see it, he was struggling against the Surfer. The fact that he was losing doesn't make it any less "actively resisting". Unless you're saying that Ravenous allowed the Surfer to kick his butt?

LOL Pr where art thou?

FML.

Ok so reason isn't going to work. I second the need for a mod ruling on the Thor feat.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
And as you've decided to ignore my point altogether, I'm just gonna go ahead and repost it to allow it to time sink in:

Of course you can see it, he was struggling against the Surfer. The fact that he was losing doesn't make it any less "actively resisting". Unless you're saying that Ravenous allowed the Surfer to kick his butt?

Just like the Thanos/Drax showdown. Thanos and Drax fighting is what caused the planet they were fighting on to be destroyed. It doesn't matter that Drax lost and was knocked unconscious. It was a shared feat.

Originally posted by dmills
FML.

Ok so reason isn't going to work. I second the need for a mod ruling on the Thor feat.

Originally posted by zopzop
I understand your point fully and it's wrong.

Nope.

You made the assertion, where is your proof that his "active resistance" provided ANY force to the "feat"?

You have none.

Originally posted by zopzop
What are you getting at? It was Surfer fighting Ravenous that wrecked that planet. Hence it was a shared feat. It doesn't matter if Raveous was losing to the Surfer. Both of them contributed to that planet's destruction.

Just like the Thanos/Drax showdown. Thanos and Drax fighting is what caused the planet they were fighting on to be destroyed. It doesn't matter that Drax lost and was knocked unconscious. It was a shared feat.

Wait. Now are you saying that you believe that the Surfer blowing up a planet in his fight with Ravenous was ALSO a "shared feat"???

Not sure if you understand what a "shared feat" is......

hmm

Nah. I think that at this point that it's fairly obvious that Zop is being deliberately obtuse.

I mean even Phil, though being snarky, basically said "yeah ok, he's got the one".

Where's the scan where the planets are shattered?

And as for Surfer/Ravenous, it's all Surfer. He got pissed off and annihilated the planet to show Ravenous how feeble he was in comparison to Surfer.

Ravenous was on his knees, about to be snapped in two, no energy projection, no pronounced damage to the terrain from their encounter, just Surfer getting a little cross and deciding to go "Herald, my rage!" (economy class).

****ing awesome!

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Nope.

You made the assertion, where is your proof that his "active resistance" provided ANY force to the "feat"?

You have none.

Wait. Now are you saying that you believe that the Surfer blowing up a planet in his fight with Ravenous was ALSO a "shared feat"???

Not sure if you understand what a "shared feat" is......

hmm

Originally posted by janus77
Where's the scan where the planets are shattered?

And as for Surfer/Ravenous, it's all Surfer. He got pissed off and annihilated the planet to show Ravenous how feeble he was in comparison to Surfer.

Ravenous was on his knees, about to be snapped in two, no energy projection, no pronounced damage to the terrain from their encounter, just Surfer getting a little cross and deciding to go "Herald, my rage!" (economy class).

Originally posted by janus77
Where's the scan where the planets are shattered?

And as for Surfer/Ravenous, it's all Surfer. He got pissed off and annihilated the planet to show Ravenous how feeble he was in comparison to Surfer.

Ravenous was on his knees, about to be snapped in two, no energy projection, no pronounced damage to the terrain from their encounter, just Surfer getting a little cross and deciding to go "Herald, my rage!" (economy class).

I don't see how that is anything but Surfer obliterating the planet. It's not about whether he has the power or not, just about reading the scan for what was illustrated.

Thor has the power too, imo, but I don't know his feats very well so I'm not as confident in pronouncing on it.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No matter how you look at it, it's still a shared feat. I know the earlier panels clearly show the blue/white energy discharge emanating from Surfer, but Ravenous is still somehow sharing the load. 😏

Originally posted by ODG
If I ignored every poster over their butthurt, I might as well not even bother to post on KMC.

What is this? He puts on a Silver Surfer set for about two weeks and you're his white knight now?

Originally posted by zopzop

The "proof" is the fact that he was ACTIVELY resisting/fighting Thor.

That's not "proof". That's a theory. Basically, "Since Gorr was actively resisting, thus he contributed force". Proof is something, like artwork or narration or even freakin character statements, that SHOWS him contributing force.

Of which you have none.

Originally posted by zopzop
What is a "shared feat" if not two or more characters contributing to X. In this case Gorr/Thor and the planet buckling and moon shattering. Or Thanos/Drax. Or Surfer/Ravenous. Or Rachel/Thor/Surfer and the Tri-blast that broke up Galactus/Scrier/Other.

Yes. "X" being the force involved. In this case, the force that caused shockwaves which were shattering "worlds". Gorr was using stabbing/rot attacks against Thor in this scene in question. You can keep asserting that these stabbing/rotting attacks somehow generated shockwaves, but don't expect anyone with an unbiased mind to even remotely buy it.

You'd be wrong about the Surfer/Ravenous instance as well.

Originally posted by zopzop
Even if we agree to disagree on whether it was a shared feat or not, Surfer's planet busting status isn't dependent on it. He busted a planet when he confronted Korvac. Both the narration and Korvac (the person responsible for the effect) called it a planet. Then there's the shared Morg/Surfer planet busting feat. There's one more I'm probably forgetting.

So you're saying Korvac WASN'T acitvely struggling against the Surfer?

mhmm