Thor vs A Planet

Originally posted by zopzop
It was a SHARED FEAT. I've been saying it for how many pages and at least TWO THREADS. Why do I have to keep repeating my position?

No, that was your position prior to me applying the scalpel to your argument and cutting out the BS. When under duress you gradually changed to this;

Originally posted by zopzop
Gorr was a confirmed God Killer (slaying every God he came across with no exceptions) going toe to toe with THREE Thors and ultimately winning. The fact that Thor withstood that long against a foe of that level was impressive. You are seriously comparing Hulk to Gorr?

So you have someone that's Thor+ fighting Thor and causing a planet to buckle and a moon to shatter. It was a shared feat against a powerful opponent. I don't get what's so hard to grasp.

This;

Originally posted by zopzop
...Is Gorr doing the majority of it? Why not? He was powerful enough to beat THREE THORS...

And finally, this;

Originally posted by zopzop
The fact that he beat the crap out of THREE THORS at the SAME TIME, one of them at least Trans level, says yes it's more than possible he was supplying the majority of the damage.

Yes, nonsense. I mean he didn't just go on to trash THREE THORS simultaneously or anything.

So then what you're really attempting to say is that it's a non feat for Thor and a feat for Gorr. After all, you stated that it requires a "Gorr level opponent" to get it done. If it requires a "Gorr level opponent" to get it done, then it also means that;

A) A Thor level opponent can't/couldn't get it done.

B) Gorr supplied the vast majority of the power/force needed to bust the planets in the scan. Which is what you eventually admitted.

So now then. If it's more of a feat for Gorr then it is for Thor, my question to you is still...Wait for it... Where in the panels, narration and art does it allude to it being a feat for Gorr? It's really simple.

Sorry I can't live on this board but there's a whole big world out there and it kinda calls to me.

Understandable... My apologies.

Originally posted by janus77
Well you could ignore him if you feel that strongly, but the derision is just OTT for frankly less than a typical Abhi or sin-i-am kind of performance.

I don't know his agenda but, after 14+ pages I think it's time to quit the attacks.

What is this? He puts on a Silver Surfer set for about two weeks and you're his white knight now?

Originally posted by dmills
No, that was your position prior to me applying the scalpel to your argument and cutting out the BS. When under duress you gradually changed to this;

This;

And finally, this;

So then what you're really attempting to say is

Originally posted by dmills
No, that was your position prior to me applying the scalpel to your argument and cutting out the BS. When under duress you gradually changed to this;

[b]So then what you're really attempting to say is that it's a non feat for Thor and a feat for Gorr. After all, you stated that it requires a "Gorr level opponent" to get it done. If it requires a "Gorr level opponent" to get it done, then it also means that;

A) A Thor level opponent can't/couldn't get it done.

B) Gorr supplied the vast majority of the power/force needed to bust the planets in the scan. Which is what you eventually admitted.

So now then. If it's more of a feat for Gorr then it is for Thor, my question to you is still...Wait for it... Where in the panels, narration and art does it allude to it being a feat for Gorr? It's really simple.

[b]

Now it falls on Team Thor to show us planet busting/buckling/whatever feats from Thor that are not shared. So far we got nothing except the runaround and insults. The closet thing we got from Team Thor even by way of SHARED feats was Stormbreaker and Mjolnir clashing inside a portal and causing it to implode.

Originally posted by zopzop

Nope, I've been saying it was a shared feat since the Black Racer/Hela thread.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=581785&pagenumber=2

Well this is the very nature of SHARED FEATS. There's no definitive way to say who is providing the bulk of the power between the two combatants. Team Thor will say Thor is doing it and Team Gorr will say Gorr is doing it. At least with Team Gorr we have on panel showings to suggest he was providing the bulk of the power. Gorr wiped the floor with THREE THors. Three THors one of which was AT LEAST Trans level. We see him beating those THREE THORS SIMULTANEOUSLY.

Now it falls on Team Thor to show us planet busting/buckling/whatever feats from Thor that are not shared. So far we got nothing except the runaround and insults. The closet thing we got from Team Thor even by way of SHARED feats was Stormbreaker and Mjolnir clashing inside a portal and causing it to implode. [/B]

So you respond with more chicken scratch...

You are team Gorr buddy.

Look man, I'm just looking for a simple answer to a simple question. Where in the panels, art and narration did it suggest that Gorr was providing the majority of the power to bust the planets? As the lone representative for team Gorr, you should be able to provide that for me right? That's all I'm asking for brother.

@zop: That logic is really really really bad (really!). It would be like saying the "feat" wherein Thor shattered mountaintops/cities from the impact of his strike against Exitar was a "shared feat" because he did it while hitting a Celestial. And that the Celestial provided most of the power because of how much more Exitar is compared to Thor.

At least with Team Gorr we have on panel showings to suggest he was providing the bulk of the power.

Originally posted by dmills
So you respond with more chicken scratch...

You are team Gorr buddy.

Look man, I'm just looking for a simple answer to a simple question. Where in the panels, art and narration did it suggest that Gorr was providing the majority of the power to bust the planets? As the lone representative for team Gorr, you should be able to provide that for me right? That's all I'm asking for brother.

You wrongly stated that my original position wasn't "it was a shared feat" when that's what it's been all along. You had nothing to do with that statement since it was me replying to Ahbi who was replying to Cele and it wasn't even in this thread.

You also want me to prove, as if that was possible with SHARED FEATS, which party was doing most of the "heavy lifting". That's not possible. All we can do is speculate. Team Thor will of course say it was Thor. But Team Gorr can also RIGHTLY say it was Gorr. He had enough power to beat Trans/High Herald/Low-Mid Herald beings at the same time. How is it a leap of logic to say Gorr could have, and possibly was proving, most of the power in that shard feat?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
@zop: That logic is really really really bad (really!). It would be like saying the "feat" wherein Thor shattered mountaintops/cities from the impact of his strike against Exitar was a "shared feat" because he did it while hitting a Celestial. And that the Celestial provided most of the power because of how much more Exitar is compared to Thor.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually, all on panel evidence points to Thor's mjolnir slams causing the damage, this is what the narration says, and what the art shows.

Yeah and the the guy that put the smack down on not one but THREE THORS simultaneously was also fighting back no? You're telling me he was contributing nothing to the power output?

So, basically, Zop, you're going to ignore the art and dialogue and just assume that Gorr not only contributed to the planetary damage because he was fighting three Thor level beings at once later, but actually provided the majority of that force?

Originally posted by janus77
No, it was a loaded question. You wanted either to dismiss Zopzop's right to ask the question by getting my assent that yes the evidence is strong enough to be proof or to attack me for not sharing your opinion.

I'm just trying to be clear.. I'm not sugar coating it and obviously was not hiding anything. I was asking a direct question..

Own ure stance. That's all...

With the stips Thor can destroy a planet with little trouble.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, basically, Zop, you're going to ignore the art and dialogue and just assume that Gorr not only contributed to the planetary damage because he was fighting three Thor level beings at once later, but actually provided the majority of that force?

I guess he was merely "stabbing" them in the sun and wasn't responsible in any way for it "turning black".

It's a shared feat...between Thor's hammer and Gorr's face lol. I guess Gorr's face provided most of the force.

Originally posted by zopzop
Your example is wrong for multiple reasons :
a) Exitar wasn't fighting back and wasn't even aware of Thor's presence before or after the strike
b) Thor was amped with his Belt of Strength
Gorr was ACTIVELY fighting back against Thor. The same Gorr that was powerful enough to take down THREE Thors simultaneously.

Actually, my example is quite correct. I simply followed your line of logic to its conclusion.

"Actively fighting back" does not in any way prove anything as you still need to prove that any kind of contributing force to the "feat" was provided by Gorr. As you made the assertion, you need to provide proof that Gorr provided even some of the force that caused the planet to crack. The only thing you can prove via narrative or art is that Gorr provided was a rather hard skull for Thor to bludgeon. Thus, my Exitar analogy holds true.

Being amped by the belt of strength is irrelevant as my point was about the source of the force, not on whether an unamped Thor accomplished said "feat".

Him "taking down 3 Thors" is irrelevant as well as it was plainly shown that the attacks he used in the specific scene in question (which was narrated in detail) was stabbing and decay. None of which can contribute in generating shockwaves.

Originally posted by zopzop
So, basically, Jake, you're going to ignore Gorr having the power to do this :

And say he contributed nothing or LESS than Thor during their previous scuffle?

I guess he was merely "stabbing" them in the sun and wasn't responsible in any way for it "turning black".

Considering that happened after Gorr was fighting Thor the Avenger solo, and the scene in question we're actually talking about showed that it was Thor himself who was causing the damage through both art and dialogue, and the scene you're using for evidence has Gorr and three Thors fighting simultaneously, you'll forgive me when I laugh.

Again, easy question:

Where in the scene where Thor was fighting Gorr by himself did Gorr contribute to the planetary destruction, either through art or dialogue? Where is it even hinted at?

And no, Gorr fighting three Thor's at once in the middle of the sun as he was progressively getting more powerful doesn't count as he was clearly more powerful when he fought the trio than when he fought Thor by himself...as evidenced by the large amount of corpses from all the slaves that had been executed to fuel Gorr's power in addition that he was able to weather an assault from the same King Thor that previously caused him immense pain and managed to best him.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, my example is quite correct. I simply followed your line of logic to its conclusion.

"Actively fighting back" does not in any way prove anything as you still need to prove that any kind of contributing force to the "feat" was provided by Gorr. As you made the assertion, you need to provide proof that Gorr provided even some of the force that caused the planet to crack. The only thing you can prove via narrative or art is that Gorr provided was a rather hard skull for Thor to bludgeon. Thus, my Exitar analogy holds true.

Being amped by the belt of strength is irrelevant as my point was about the source of the force, not on whether an unamped Thor accomplished said "feat".

Him "taking down 3 Thors" is irrelevant as well as it was plainly shown that the attacks he used in the specific scene in question (which was narrated in detail) was stabbing and decay. None of which can contribute in generating shockwaves.

So no your example is wrong.

@Jake

Gorr was amping BEFORE that scene with Thor the Avenger took place :

Gorr contributed by the very fact that he was FIGHTING BACK. Thor wasn't doing it alone. Unless you believe he was fighting himself and Gorr was just looking on.

^You have officially gone way beyond ruining this thread as of this moment.

The surprising thing is we all expected that of abhi, but you're the one who's surprised us all.

Originally posted by zopzop
@Jake

Gorr was amping BEFORE that scene with Thor the Avenger took place :

Gorr contributed by the very fact that he was FIGHTING BACK. Thor wasn't doing it alone. Unless you believe he was fighting himself and Gorr was just looking on.

Yes, he was amping before that scene, but he amping the whole time as evidenced by how progressively powerful Gorr was getting through out the issue. By the time he had beaten the Thors, virtually all the slaves or a good majority of them left on his planet, had been slain, as evidenced by the huge pile of corpses. So using a more powerful Gorr's showing later in the issue as proof he helped contribute during a state of him being less powerful makes no sense.

Gorr was fighting Thor, sure. But he was stabbing him and slashing at him with his weapon, causing more internal damage than anything. Nowhere in that scene is the planet's damage contributed to Gorr, either though the art or the dialogue. Hell, from the art and narration alone, it appears as if Thor actively attacked Gorr more often than vice versa, meaning he definitely got in more shots than Gorr did.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^You have officially gone way beyond ruining this thread as of this moment.

The surprising thing is we all expected that of abhi, but you're the one who's surprised us all.

At least I'm attempting to back up my position with scans and attempting to answer the OP's question. It's also telling that Team Thor is clinging to this SHARED Gorr/Thor feat , because nothing in Thor's 50+ years of history backs up their claims.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, he was amping before that scene, but he amping the whole time as evidenced by how progressively powerful Gorr was getting through out the issue. By the time he had beaten the Thors, virtually all the slaves or a good majority of them left on his planet, had been slain, as evidenced by the huge pile of corpses. So using a more powerful Gorr's showing later in the issue as proof he helped contribute during a state of him being less powerful makes no sense.

Gorr was fighting Thor, sure. But he was stabbing him and slashing at him with his weapon, causing more internal damage than anything. Nowhere in that scene is the planet's damage contributed to Gorr, either though the art or the dialogue. Hell, from the art and narration alone, it appears as if Thor actively attacked Gorr more often than vice versa, meaning he definitely got in more shots than Gorr did.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Considering that happened after Gorr was fighting Thor the Avenger solo, and the scene in question we're actually talking about showed that it was Thor himself who was causing the damage through both art and dialogue, and the scene you're using for evidence has Gorr and three Thors fighting simultaneously, you'll forgive me when I laugh.

Again, easy question:

Where in the scene where Thor was fighting Gorr by himself did Gorr contribute to the planetary destruction, either through art or dialogue? Where is it even hinted at?

And no, Gorr fighting three Thor's at once in the middle of the sun as he was progressively getting more powerful doesn't count as he was clearly more powerful when he fought the trio than when he fought Thor by himself...as evidenced by the large amount of corpses from all the slaves that had been executed to fuel Gorr's power in addition that he was able to weather an assault from the same King Thor that previously caused him immense pain and managed to best him.