Nolan's Superhero Films

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nicholson being a 'legendary actor' doesn't automatically put his performance above Ledger.

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If you'd have taken your time reading my post in its entirety rather than recklessly leap into the fray to defend your aggrieved Ledger, you might have realized that duh.

That was the point. Nicholson and Bale are more reputable than Ledger and Keaton respectively. Didn't stop the other guys from giving better performances.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also calling him 'just dead Heath Ledger' is actually pretty disrespectful.

Compared to Nicholson, that's all he is. A talented actor, to be sure, and one with regretfully unexplored potential. But Nicholson is in a whole 'nother league.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Though to be fair, it probably isn't entirely Bale's fault, or all Keaton's credit. The script and director play a part in determining the outcome of a character.

I wasn't impressed by Keatons acting personally. Though again, the glasses and curly hair might have had something to do with that.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
True. Bale had to work with the material, or lack thereof, that he was given.

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Which is why even talented actors like Samuel L. Jackson, Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, Natalie Portman, and Liam Neeson all suffered to varying degrees under Lucas, a brilliant visionary who happens to suck at executing characterization.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Wow, so basically: "Don't criticize what I like, it's above all flaws."

You're kind of an ass, aren't you?

puh lease.. come down, you must be a Nolan hater which is okay, Nolan isn't worried about it.. Im telling the truth,, if you think people on message boards have any say when movie studios hire producers/directors/actors and actresses, thanks for the laughs..

also don;t put words in my mouth.. i never said his films had flaws, in fact every damn mfing film ever made has flaws, but the thing is you and other Nolan Haters fail to grasp/comprehend is the fact that the world disagrees with ya'll because you see since his films made a combined over $2,463,216,216 at the box office.. so despite the flaws people saw it and loved it..

Originally posted by The_Tempest
...And the wanking continues...

Cool story bro.

Unfortunately for THAT Batman fan, who apparently labors under a particularly debilitating case of malignant narcissism, THIS Batman fan doesn't share THAT Batman fan's opinions.

More importantly, THIS Batman fan doesn't have to. Welcome to the internet, place of free exchange of opinions and ideas, no matter how contradictory.

Better grab a Kleenex for your tears and lube for your bum, because odds are that you'll see me criticize Nolan and his Batman films some more.

no story as I am not crying , you might be if i have to ask a global mod to have a talk with you so please keep it civil.. you see i have no problem with people who don;t like his films, but it is the same old same old tired BS

Originally posted by Nephthys
I wasn't impressed by Keatons acting personally. Though again, the glasses and curly hair might have had something to do with that.

Neither was I.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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If you'd have taken your time reading my post in its entirety rather than recklessly leap into the fray to defend your aggrieved Ledger, you might have realized that duh.

That was the point. Nicholson and Bale are more reputable than Ledger and Keaton respectively. Didn't stop the other guys from giving better performances.

Ah, ok. Sorry, its early here.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Compared to Nicholson, that's all he is. A talented actor, to be sure, and one with regretfully unexplored potential. But Nicholson is in a whole 'nother league.

No it isn't. Regardless, I was talking about your disrespect, not Ledgers acting chops.

That strategy ironically resembles a tragically doomed one from TDK. In this scene, I'll be Morgan Freeman.

Cool, then once that global mod lectures me for my quasi-rude retort, you can explain to him/her why you're coming into threads and belittling anyone who disagrees with you... y'know, the very action that incited my quasi-rude retort to begin with.

Great plan. 👆

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Which is why even talented actors like Samuel L. Jackson, Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, Natalie Portman, and Liam Neeson all suffered to varying degrees under Lucas, a brilliant visionary who happens to suck at executing characterization.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That strategy ironically resembles a tragically doomed one from TDK. In this scene, I'll be Morgan Freeman.

Cool, then once that global mod lectures me for my quasi-rude retort, you can explain to him/her why you're coming into threads and belittling anyone who disagrees with you... y'know, the very action that incited my quasi-rude retort to begin with.

Great plan. 👆

What?

Edit: Oh, you're talking to Bruce.

Was talking to Bruce, not you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ah, ok. Sorry, its early here.

It's a consolation to know this still gets you worked up. Ammo for the future, I guess. excellent

Originally posted by Nephthys
No it isn't. Regardless, I was talking about your disrespect, not Ledgers acting chops.

Yeah it is. And I'm sorry you're so sensitive about Heath Ledger, but your sense of humor is unrepentantly irreverent elsewhere. Anyway, I used that phrase to simply make a point about Ledger's lack of standing next to Nicholson.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Nolan is a great at characterization though. And that's my point when it comes to the trilogy. In order to make TDK and TDKR a more epic feel Batman somehow, unfortunate as it may be, got lost.

That was his mistake, I think. Batman should have been a little more pulpy, noir-ish and operated on a smaller scale. If we want DC epic, we have Superman.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Was talking to Bruce, not you.

It's a consolation to know this still gets you worked up. Ammo for the future, I guess. excellent

No, I simply couldn't be bothered to read that whole sentence.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah it is. And I'm sorry you're so sensitive about Heath Ledger, but your sense of humor is unrepentantly irreverent elsewhere. Anyway, I used that phrase to simply make a point about Ledger's lack of standing next to Nicholson.

It isn't about Ledger. Referring to anyone who died tragically (or otherwise) as 'just dead name' is merely very dismissive and pretty much a complete assholish thing to say.

Tempest I have said what I wanted to say regarding haters... fact is message boards don;t matter

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Tempest I have said what I wanted to say regarding haters...

I know. Now run along and let people who are actually interested in the exchange of opinion exchange them without being assailed by your judgmental fanboyism.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
fact is message boards don;t matter

No one here, not Neph, Martin, Lucien, or me ever pretended like our words mattered in the grand scheme of things. Your posts here are certainly compelling proof of that claim.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That was his mistake, I think. Batman should have been a little more pulpy, noir-ish and operated on a smaller scale. If we want DC epic, we have Superman.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
puh lease.. come down, you must be a Nolan hater which is okay, Nolan isn't worried about it.. Im telling the truth,, if you think people on message boards have any say when movie studios hire producers/directors/actors and actresses, thanks for the laughs..

also don;t put words in my mouth.. i never said his films had flaws, in fact every damn mfing film ever made has flaws, but the thing is you and other Nolan Haters fail to grasp/comprehend is the fact that the world disagrees with ya'll because you see since his films made a combined over $2,463,216,216 at the box office.. so despite the flaws people saw it and loved it..

And Rob Walker called it. Anyone who dares criticize Nolan's work must be a Nolan hater. Context sensitivity is disregarded. Rational thought is disregarded. A history of the poster's most recent posts is disregarded (or not even looked at, in your case). Nevermind I love his films and would rather watch them than any of the Burton films any day of the week. Nevermind that I just said he makes technically better films. And judging by the first line of your second paragraph there... I'm gonna guess that you're drunk when you wrote it. And probably in a spiteful mood. Someone breakup with you today? Someone who didn't like The Dark Knight?

God I hope you're drunk. Otherwise you're just a retarded *sshole.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I think we're using the word "epic" in two different ways. I didn't mean epic in the fantastical sense as I believe you meant with Man of Steel. I meant more as in a tale that transcends the genre with a more ambitious aim. There's a reason The Dark Knight drew comparisons to films such as Heat and The Godfather Part II.

Ah, ok, understood.

But that too was an error, I think. Very few "superheroes" work well in a "realistic" environment. Which is why though Marvel's lineup deals with, for all intents and purposes, "the real world," there is still a campy vibe from it.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I think we're using the word "epic" in two different ways. I didn't mean epic in the fantastical sense as I believe you meant with Man of Steel. I meant more as in a tale that transcends the genre with a more ambitious aim. There's a reason The Dark Knight drew comparisons to films such as Heat and The Godfather Part II.

The weight of the stakes kinda crushed the last movie a bit. It didn't need to be so 'big' and the story and characters suffered for it. It was approaching the plotline of something better suited to Donner's Superman or Spider-Man. Not so much with "realistic" Batman.

Still gritty though.

Canadian, we seem to be on roughly the same page here. I am alarmed by this development.