Nolan's Superhero Films

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I know. Now run along and let people who are actually interested in the exchange of opinion exchange them without being assailed by your judgmental fanboyism.

No one here, not Neph, Martin, Lucien, or me ever pretended like our words mattered in the grand scheme of things. Your posts here are certainly compelling proof of that claim.

shall I ask a global to have chat with you??? you an others act like your opinion is the only one that matters. it doesn;t

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
$2.4 billion eh? Wow. Yeah they must be unbelievably good if they made so much money. Almost as much as the $3.3 billion that Twilight pulled in.

And Rob Walker called it. Anyone who dares criticize Nolan's work must be a Nolan hater. Context sensitivity is disregarded. Rational thought is disregarded. A history of the poster's most recent posts is disregarded (or not even looked at, in your case). Nevermind I love his films and would rather watch them than any of the Burton films any day of the week. Nevermind that I just said he makes technically better films. And judging by the first line of your second paragraph there... I'm gonna guess that you're drunk when you wrote it. And probably in a spiteful mood. Someone breakup with you today? Someone who didn't like The Dark Knight?

God I hope you're drunk. Otherwise you're just a retarded *sshole.

sorry to disappoint you but I don;t drink..

no i think you are.. you folks just simply cannot handle the truth.. it doesn;t matter what people on message boards say, the only thing that does are the box office returns

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
shall I ask a global to have chat with you???

I'm glad you included 3 question marks instead of one.

One would not have infused your sentence with its proper interrogative properties and sense of urgency.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
you an others act like your opinion is the only one that matters. it doesn;t

You could always go back to the part where I explained to Martin that this whole dog and pony show is an exchange of opinions and there is no such thing as "objective" critique.

But don't let the facts stop you.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
But that too was an error, I think. Very few "superheroes" work well in a "realistic" environment. Which is why though Marvel's lineup deals with, for all intents and purposes, "the real world," there is still a campy vibe from it.

Iron Man 3 is a perfect example of how the aim Marvel is going with can exhaust itself and backfire.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
There's a sliding scale in the grandeur of the Nolan films. It starts with a gas attack and prison break, escalates to exploding buildings/assassinations/ship traps/emptied streets/foreign extraction, and [lol]rises[/lol] to quarantined cities, complicated plane rescues, nuclear fusion, and atomic annihilation.

The weight of the stakes kinda crushed the last movie a bit. It didn't need to be so 'big' and the story and characters suffered for it. It was approaching the plotline of something better suited to Donner's Superman or Spider-Man. Not so much with "realistic" Batman.

Still gritty though.

Actually, I thought Iron Man 3 was entertaining.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm glad you included 3 question marks instead of one.

One would not have infused your sentence with its proper interrogative properties and sense of urgency.

You could always go back to the part where I explained to Martin that this whole dog and pony show is an exchange of opinions and there is no such thing as "objective" critique.

But don't let the facts stop you.

facts, oh you mean the one that message boards don;t mean anything, the only fact that does is ya know box office results and not people whining over they didn;t get a carbon copy of tim burtons/joel schumacher films or Batman should have been his comic book self in Nolan's films

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Canadian, we seem to be on roughly the same page here. I am alarmed by this development.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
sorry to disappoint you but I don;t drink..

no i think you are.. you folks just simply cannot handle the truth.. it doesn;t matter what people on message boards say, the only thing that does are the box office returns

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I ****ed with it. Thought it was perfect for what he was trying to do: end the tale definitively with no chance of a sequel. The movie had a plethora of plot holes if you have no life and want to sit and nitpick but other than that.

And with such a grand finale as Rises, it really put strain on the notion that these were the "realistic" films they're purported to be. He survived having no cartilage, a broken back, a deep knife wound, and a nuclear blast. Getting a little hard to care about or feel concerned for the man who never seems to be in any real danger. Combine that with the wasted opportunity to drive home the symbol vs. mortal theme and Rises kinda fell flat with me. None of that was a "plot hole", it was just unbelievable and emotionally stunted. Just like Batman himself, so I guess it fits.

Originally posted by Kotor3
In Begins, Batman was a great detective and dark. My favorite line in the movie “I’m won’t kill you, but I don’t have to save you”.

In Begins, Batman was a great detective and dark. My favorite line in the movie “I’m won’t kill you, but I don’t have to save you”.

Then in TDK and TDR he went from that Batman to a dum, brute, goody two shoes who was willing to save a killer (the joker) who had killed the love of his life.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
facts, oh you mean the one that message boards don;t mean anything,

Never denied it.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
the only fact that does is ya know box office results

The Canadian already crushed you on this one. Unless you're prepared to admit the Twilight movies are better than Nolan's Batman ones by virtue of the fact that they grossed more at the box office?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
and not people whining over they didn;t get a carbon copy of tim burtons/joel schumacher films or Batman should have been his comic book self in Nolan's films

This is criticism and, from the sounds of it, your first real experience with someone intelligently and persistently disagreeing with you about something that means a lot to you.

I'm delighted to be part of this monumental experience in your life.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Perhaps there's more syrup in your veins than you previously thought.

Got it. You're just a retarded *sshole.

Plot holes schmot holes. If plot holes make a movie bad then no movie would be good. No rather it's the emotion of a film that ultimately matters, and those will change for everybody. For me, keeping Bruce Wayne alive after such a traumatic, harrowing, unimaginably debilitating and painful journey was a poor choice--emotionally. Killing off the man inside the suit (in a noble, sacrificial way) while letting the idea of Batman live on with Blake, would have been a great ending note on a series that placed such emphasis on symbols and ideas for the sake of hope.

And with such a grand finale as Rises, it really put strain on the notion that these were the "realistic" films they're purported to be. He survived having no cartilage, a broken back, a deep knife wound, and a nuclear blast. Getting a little hard to care about or feel concerned for the man who never seems to be in any real danger. Combine that with the wasted opportunity to drive home the symbol vs. mortal theme and Rises kinda fell flat with me. None of that was a "plot hole", it was just unbelievable and emotionally stunted. Just like Batman himself, so I guess it fits.

I loved that line. That was the dark grittiness that was missing from the characters in the sequels.

guess you want a chat wiht a global, let me and i shall grant your request since you want to resort to childish insults

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Never denied it.

The Canadian already crushed you on this one. Unless you're prepared to admit the Twilight movies are better than Nolan's Batman ones by virtue of the fact that they grossed more at the box office?

This is criticism and, from the sounds of it, your first real experience with someone intelligently and persistently disagreeing with you about something that means a lot to you.

I'm delighted to be part of this monumental experience in your life.

nah, its hate and twilight making money, yeah those movies were very very successful, i didn;t care for them but yeah they were very very successful

thanks for lols, I've had this same incessant and very ignorant conversation with people on here..

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that in all these conversations, you were the one who brought the incessant ignorance to the table?

Kinda like an uninvited guy who shows up at a party and brings Ebola instead of chips and salsa.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
guess you want a chat wiht a global, let me and i shall grant your request since you want to resort to childish insults

nah, its hate and twilight making money, yeah those movies were very very successful, i didn;t care for them but yeah they were very very successful

thanks for lols, I've had this same incessant and very ignorant conversation with people on here..

And did you quote my entire post just to respond to the 7 words I said to you? What, are the intricacies of the quote function too much for you?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that in all these conversations, you were the one who brought the incessant ignorance to the table?

Kinda like an uninvited guy who shows up at a party and brings Ebola instead of chips and salsa.

nah ask esau cairn, we had a similar conversation,, its okay to admit you hate someone because you don;t like how something he did to make a comic book character come to life and be very successful at it

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You have? Have you considered that perhaps you're the only common denominator in these conversations?

And did you quote my entire post just to respond to the 7 words I said to you? What, are the intricacies of the quote function too much for you?

if im gonna quote your entire and whining about it because i am only responding to one or two things, thinks for making me laugh.. you see I am not going to waste time quote posting to every thing, if that is something you want to do go ahead i however won't
.. and no, why should i?? not my problem there are haters on here.. i am giving my opinion , if you or anyone else can;t handle it not my problem

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
i am giving my opinion , if you or anyone else can;t handle it not my problem

EDIT: I would have responded to the rest of what you said, but... I have no f*cking clue what you said. The rest of your post is an illegible mess. I've seen more coherent thoughts from a toddler.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
lol wow. Talk about pot to the kettle.

EDIT: I would have responded to the rest of what you said, but... I have no f*cking clue what you said. The rest of your post is an illegible mess. I've seen more coherent thoughts from a toddler.

i will not respond to your childish insults.. not my problem you cannot read and respond back to what i have said..

There you go. That's better.

May be a tad off topic but how do you people feel about the rest of Nolan's catalog, Batman withstanding?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
nah ask esau cairn, we had a similar conversation,, its okay to admit you hate someone because you don;t like how something he did to make a comic book character come to life and be very successful at it

Oh Christ you're constant fall back of labelling me a "Nolan Hater" & quoting how much the movies made got so bloody tedious I gave up trying to have a rational conversation with you.

Hell you wanna compare box office profits to the heroin trade on a world wide scale THEN convince me that heroin's a good thing?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
May be a tad off topic but how do you people feel about the rest of Nolan's catalog, Batman withstanding?

Well this Nolan Hater has enjoyed everything he's done...although I did find Inception overrated.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien

Would you rather he build his own city to film in? You know 'Gotham' is the real life nickname of New York City, don't you? It would make sense to film his realistic film in the real city. And minor character, WTF?

In Begins, Nolan LITERALLY built Gotham City in a sound studio. Then he superimposed various cityscapes into the skyline....creating a dark & gritty Gotham City. At least Burton & Schumacher had a fundamental understanding that a place named aptly Gotham had to resonate its namesake.
I mean passing Detroit for Gotham...?

And yes,Nolan makes movies on an epic scale, often compared to the GodFather series...Batman isn't about grand sweeping lingering shots of the city scape,it's about street level,dark gritty lane ways. It's not about bringing down organised crime...it's about saving the helpless,weak & unfortunate that suffered similarly to Bruce's parents.Begins hinted at this then got lost with Nolan's vision for a "GodFather Epic". Too many characters, too many sub plots made Batman a minor character.

Another fact I felt misplaced for both TDK & TDKR is that Nolan fell in love with filming in IMAX. Batman did not need the wide sweeping shots of lingering cityscapes.IMAX would probably been better utilised in MOS then for the Batman movies.