Nolan's Superhero Films

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Yes because EVERYONE KNOWS Batman keeps his cape in his "bag of tricks."

And as far as split second decisions go...is that like the SAME split second decision Batman had to capture The Joker & prevent his fall to death?
Was it a grappling line that he used also?

You go on about KNOWING EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT BATMAN & yet you fail to comprehend the capabilities of his cape that was established in BB?

He uses the cape TWICE in BB to glide....In the batcave to glide down to Rachel waking up & later over Gotham striking fear.

In TDK, he uses the cape to buffer his fall when he lands on top of the parked car in the parking lot & later to glide/fly over Hong Kong.

I mean you claim to know everything about these movies as much as your expertise on the character himself....and yet you lack any rational & reasonable logic whatsoever.

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i don't fail to comprehend anything,, you do that.. why can't you understand that Batman made a split second decision to save a child's life?? He had absolutely no time to grab any shuriken to throw at Harvey or to grab his grapple gun...

also there is possibly something else you may have forgotten about Harvey, something that has happened to him previously

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
i don't fail to comprehend anything,, you do that.. why can't you understand that Batman made a split second decision to save a child's life?? He had absolutely no time to grab any shuriken to throw at Harvey or to grab his grapple gun...

Yes, we've already gone past the notion that Batman possibly had no time to grab a shuriken, much less his grappling gun.
We'll agree he had no time in that split second decision making,ok.

Yet you still insist to overlook, forget, not talk about the capabilities of Batman's CAPE.

If the story writing was consistent, then both Batman & Dent wouldn't have had to fall needlessly to injury & death.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

also there is possibly something else you may have forgotten about Harvey, something that has happened to him previously

I honestly have no idea what you're alluding to...?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Yes, we've already gone past the notion that Batman possibly had no time to grab a shuriken, much less his grappling gun.
We'll agree he had no time in that split second decision making,ok.

Yet you still insist to overlook, forget, not talk about the capabilities of Batman's CAPE.

If the story writing was consistent, then both Batman & Dent wouldn't have had to fall needlessly to injury & death.

nah i am not.. shouldn't have to keep repeating myself..

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I honestly have no idea what you're alluding to...?

think , really think

Originally posted by Darth Martin
This thread has quickly gone to shit.

Two Batman fans having an argument....

What, are we arguing that Batman could or couldn't have saved the kid and Harvey at the same time?

Originally posted by Kazenji
Two Batman fans having an argument....

I'm simply trying to state that there's an age old argument regarding heroes & capes being impractical & simply a fashion statement that can have hazardous results, as jokingly mentioned in The Incredibles.

Yet Batman is the only character that I know whose cape actually serves several functions. Gliding & buffering his fall, steel tips to whip the opponent in the face & also being heat retardent. And the biggest asset being, to strike fear.

If there was one scene in TDK that would've benefited most with Batman utilising his cape it would've been to save himself & Dent as they plummeted to the ground.

He was grapling Dent. Seems fairly obvious that he didn't have time to activate the cape during the fall.

Comic Batman would have saved the kid, taken Dent out with a batarang and been home in time for corn flakes. Nolan's Batman has to fail, otherwise there's no point to the narrative imo.

There's no point to your face!

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Harvey Dent's entire story is possibly the biggest reason why I think TDK isn't nearly as good as many think.

Dent is, for me, the highlight of TDK. But I'm in the minority for a lot of things in Nolan's trilogy, so i'm not going to argue it.

Really? Curious.

There's nothing really to "argue" per se, it's all (or mostly?) subjective. I personally found it boring and rushed.

I liked Dent's arc more than Joker's.

Though I will admit, and have before, that Ledger's Joker just doesn't do it for me. Not because it's a bad performance; just that it's not the kind of Joker that I want to see in a movie. Couple that with a Batman that doesn't do it for me, and I have to find some sort of silver lining that isn't Gordon or Alfred (who were both stellar).

Long story short, I always thought Eckhart was a shitty actor until I saw TDK. I also felt that his Dent was closer to the comics than I would have expected it to be.

Fair enough.

I used to froth at the mouth over Ledger's Joker until the hype-fog passed overhead. I think it was a great performance, but I really don't put it that far ahead (if at all) of Nicholson's Joker.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Fair enough.

I used to froth at the mouth over Ledger's Joker until the hype-fog passed overhead. I think it was a great performance, but I really don't put it that far ahead (if at all) of Nicholson's Joker.

I think it was a better performance, tbh, but I still prefer the Nicholson Joker, as it's closer to the Hammill Joker (who is my favourite).

Even when I played Joker in RPs, I always made him more like Nicholson/Hammill than Ledger.