Superman vs A Planet

Originally posted by Diesldude
I read final crises but didn't read all the tie in. I stated my opinion off of the scans in your post. I'll just agree to disagree.

The fight came after in IC# 5. And the scan Ahbi showed that had Kal-L talking to Lois was a flashback in Action Comics #836 when he was swapping memories with Kal-El during their fight.

So basically ure agreeing to something totally wrong because ure backing a guy who has done nothing but lie his @$$ off to confuse people.

😮

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
If you read it, then you would know that Luthor really ratcheted up his mucking of the different earths right before IC #4 ended.

The fight came after in IC# 5. And the scan Ahbi showed that had Kal-L talking to Lois was a flashback in Action Comics #836 when he was swapping memories with Kal-El during their fight.

So basically ure agreeing to something totally wrong because ure backing a guy who has done nothing but lie his @$$ off to confuse people.

😮

Originally posted by Diesldude
Superfans gotta stick together.

Originally posted by Diesldude
That's stil far better than scavenging respect threads.

Is there something personal going on here that you would aim that at me, or was it just a lame retort not aimed at anyone?

Originally posted by Diesldude
^^ I didn't think it was funny. Abhi probably forgot more comics then he'll ever read.

So you felt the need to tell me that you didn't think it was funny? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I don't understand the whole theory of fans sticking together.
You want to be a real fan? Read the character and make up your own mind of what happened in his history/that particular feat.

I like Thanos just as much as Quan, but I sure as shit am not about to agree with half of what he says... For example: Gundam hates Carver with a passion previously reserved for Adolf against the Jews.

I see the mob mentality with Thor fans and Superman fans. Pre 'one guy' (for Superman) both used to be lets say fountains of knowledge for their characters. Annoying, absolutely, but you could usually trust what the whole "mob" had to say. Now the balance has shifted, and Thor fans are looked with more trust among these boards, while Superman fans are looked upon with extreme distrust. And it's not like Thor fans aren't just as character centered as the Superman fans either.

Sticking together would be alright if you stuck together on logical conclusions of what happened in a feat. But sticking together on what some would call "laughable" interpretations isn't the best way to go upon it. The fan base needs to gain more individuality as opposed to the hivemind view to move away from being a laughing stock on the forums.

They'd still be hated like Thor fans are by some, but the shift has made Thor fans look vastly better by comparison. Which is why the board might seem way more Marvel based than it is in some of these threads as opposed to just sticking with the lesser of two evils.

Just my opinion anyway. No one cares so carry on.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
If you read it, then you would know that Luthor really ratcheted up his mucking of the different earths right before IC #4 ended.

The fight came after in IC# 5. And the scan Ahbi showed that had Kal-L talking to Lois was a flashback in Action Comics #836 when he was swapping memories with Kal-El during their fight.

So basically ure agreeing to something totally wrong because ure backing a guy who has done nothing but lie his @$$ off to confuse people.

😮

But if you see your scan.. Psycho Pirate states that Lois Lane of Earth 2 has died. After that Alex tells Psycho pirate tells him to watch himself because the tower has been activated. What does that mean? That's the anti-montior tower and he was using it as a tuning fork. So the fight was happening before it was activated.

Also iirc going from memory, prior to this, wasn't alex manipulating events to help create an inter-dimensional tuning fork?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't understand the whole theory of fans sticking together.
You want to be a real fan? Read the character and make up your own mind of what happened in his history/that particular feat.

I like Thanos just as much as Quan, but I sure as shit am not about to agree with half of what he says... For example: Gundam hates Carver with a passion previously reserved for Adolf against the Jews.

I see the mob mentality with Thor fans and Superman fans. Pre 'one guy' (for Superman) both used to be lets say fountains of knowledge for their characters. Annoying, absolutely, but you could usually trust what the whole "mob" had to say. Now the balance has shifted, and Thor fans are looked with more trust among these boards, while Superman fans are looked upon with extreme distrust. And it's not like Thor fans aren't just as character centered as the Superman fans either.

Sticking together would be alright if you stuck together on logical conclusions of what happened in a feat. But sticking together on what some would call "laughable" interpretations isn't the best way to go upon it. The fan base needs to gain more individuality as opposed to the hivemind view to move away from being a laughing stock on the forums.

They'd still be hated like Thor fans are by some, but the shift has made Thor fans look vastly better by comparison. Which is why the board might seem way more Marvel based than it is in some of these threads as opposed to just sticking with the lesser of two evils.

Just my opinion anyway. No one cares so carry on.

Originally posted by Damborgson

Is there something personal going on here that you would aim that at me, or was it just a lame retort not aimed at anyone?

No it wasn't. Some people skim through comics, some people scavange respect threads. I didn't name anyone but if it makes you feel better, it wasn't directed at you, celey or bran.

Hey bran, i meant it as a joke, of superfans sticking together. With the house of el and kal queda and all that stuff going around.

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Originally posted by Diesldude
No it wasn't. Some people skim through comics, some people scavange respect threads. I didn't name anyone but if it makes you feel better, it wasn't directed at you, celey or bran.

So it was just some comment aimed at no one to try and make Abhi look better? Going to have to better than that 👆

Just asking cuz I wasn't sure if you were babbling or aiming or something.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I thought U and Jake were crossing over? What ever happened to that notion?
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Originally posted by Diesldude
Hey bran, i meant it as a joke, of superfans sticking together. With the house of el and kal queda and all that stuff going around.

Superman fans will stick together. They won't call each other out, they'll back each up, etc. It's the same with Thor much in that way.

But when it's headed down a web of lies, the mob fails.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Ok I will re-read IC again as a refresher to confirm..

But if you see your scan.. Psycho Pirate states that Lois Lane of Earth 2 has died. After that Alex tells Psycho pirate tells him to watch himself because the tower has been activated. What does that mean? That's the anti-montior tower and he was using it as a tuning fork. So the fight was happening before it was activated.

Also iirc going from memory, prior to this, wasn't alex manipulating events to help create an inter-dimensional tuning fork?

He activated the tower when Adam was manipulated into blasting it with Shazamness.

Then he immediately brought about Earth 2 for Superman to be super excited about. The tower was already finished, but it just needed fuel. Which is where the heroes came in that were connected to the tower.

In a nut shell.

"Both" Superman fights definitely happened on Earth 2. Which would make both after IC 4. IC 5 was one fight where it definitely got ended and started when Superman simply flew to that Earth to investigate and Diana 'ended it' in that comic, and the "other fight" spanned three comics where we didn't get a look at who Superman was actually fighting until around when IC 5 came out. And that fight definitely wasn't ended in that arc either. In fact, it said to be continued in IC 5... so logically...

That's not a big window left for two fights to happen.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He activated the tower when Adam was manipulated into blasting it with Shazamness.

Then he immediately brought about Earth 2 for Superman to be super excited about. The tower was already finished, but it just needed fuel. Which is where the heroes came in that were connected to the tower.

In a nut shell.

"Both" Superman fights definitely happened on Earth 2. Which would make both after IC 4. IC 5 was one fight where it definitely got ended and started when Superman simply flew to that Earth to investigate and Diana 'ended it' in that comic, and the "other fight" spanned three comics where we didn't get a look at who Superman was actually fighting until around when IC 5 came out. And that fight definitely wasn't ended in that arc either. In fact, it said to be continued in IC 5... so logically...

That's not a big window left for two fights to happen.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
But u do agree it was really one fight right? The 3 supplemental Superman comics just showed what really happened in detail.

If there would have been two fights, the first one would have not only had no reason to have started, but it was never shown to end either.

Which means sometime after IC4, Superman would have flown to Earth 2, fought Superman in a multiple planet destroying fight in a brutal fight, then some random shit happened and he went back to Earth 1. Then he flew back to Earth 2, fought a Superman who's Lois had just died, only wrecked up the city, and then someone had the bright idea to actually stop it.

And this is what the Supermen say after fighting on this very planet in a very tiny span of time:

Color me dubious Celey.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Of course. Same fight, more "fight" to it

If there would have been two fights, the first one would have not only had no reason to have started, but it was never shown to end either.

Which means sometime after IC4, Superman would have flown to Earth 2, fought Superman in a multiple planet destroying fight in a brutal fight, then some random shit happened and he went back to Earth 1. Then he flew back to Earth 2, fought a Superman who's Lois had just died, only wrecked up the city, and then someone had the bright idea to actually stop it.

And this is what the Supermen say after fighting on this very planet in a very tiny span of time:

Color me dubious Celey.

Question...if both fights isn't one of the same what was the cause of both fights? Did they fight for different reasons?

That's the theory Carver. At the end of AoS 649 it says that he says a silent prayer for Lois. Lois was dead and that was the reason they fought in IC5. Which means the window of time for the two fights is even shorter than I figured. For that to work, they would have had to have had two fights at the same time. Which I'm sure will be defended as having happened.

Who knows though, we could be both wrong. I haven't read the arc in a while.

So there might be one tiny statement that could be construed into absolute proof of two fights... of course, actually providing that scan would certainly work towards the existence of another fight instead of just saying it with no backing proof.

But I'd have to see it to believe it.

On a side note:

Originally posted by Diesldude
I haven't read the Thor: God of Thunder but from what you guys are saying, it looks interesting. I'll pick it up.

You guys have a thread to discuss the issues?

Here's another question bran. I had assumed that a handful of cherry picked scans could/would be somewhat confusing because of the lack of context. However, why do I get the impression that if I actually read it in it's entirety, I'd be just as confused?