Fisto's still seem better. Moving so fast that he looked to be in more places than he really was is extremely fast.
Another of Fisto's speed feats:
To the rear of the car, where Grievous's pair of MagnaGuards had made the mistake of pitting themselves against Kit Fisto, the Nautolan's blade was a cyclone of blazing blue light.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Prove ROTS/Late-CW Kenobi is faster than Fisto.
Hmmm because he went from a Jedi Knight to a leading member of the High Council in a matter of months. Because he was on the front lines of the battlefield for months. Because as of ROTS the galaxy itself viewed Kenobi as Skywalker's peer.
Originally posted by Vensai
Moving fast in comparison to what or who exactly?
Here's another quote:
"close—but by the time his boots touched down Kenobi was there to meet him, blade weaving through a defensive velocity so bewilderingly fast that Dooku dared not even try a strike"
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That's pretty ****in impressive.
Originally posted by Vensai
Here's another quote:
"close—but by the time his boots touched down Kenobi was there to meet him, blade weaving through a defensive velocity so bewilderingly fast that Dooku dared not even try a strike"
Imo it's more of Stover's imagination, then Kenobi's feats. Duel from ROTS novel is inconsistent with this one from movie.
I would prefer quotes from "Rise and Fall of Darth Vader":
"You won't get away this time, Dooku," Obi-Wan said. He and Obi-Wan
ignited their blue-bladed light-sabers and advanced on Dooku, who ignited his own red-bladed weapon. The beams of their lightsabers hummed and clashed as they moved across the chamber. Dooku defended himself effortlessly.
The two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat.
Obi-Wan wasn't too fast for Dooku, coz Dooku was faster one.
And about Fisto vs Kenobi:
Fisto may be faster (but I'm not sure about that), but Kenobi is definitly much more skillful, and has better form for duel against one strong enemy.
So Kenobi 7-8/10
Originally posted by ZettThe two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat.
Hey where's that quote from? Makes sense, I mean Dooku must have moved faster to pull of that move tbh.
Still if we want to use all Fisto's hyperbolic speed descriptions then it's only fair we use Kenobi's from the ROTS novel.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaAlso the Ventress Fisto lost too was weaker than Greivous.
Dunno. The fight where Grievous is handling Ventress and Durge is inconclusive Imo. They didn't know what they were up against with Grievous and seemed to be surprised.
Also I might be wrong but I don't think Griveous actually outduelled Ventress. And I don't think she attempted to use Force TK on him either.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Hey where's that quote from? Makes sense, I mean Dooku must have moved faster to pull of that move tbh.Still if we want to use all Fisto's hyperbolic speed descriptions then it's only fair we use Kenobi's from the ROTS novel.
Both quotes are from "Rise and Fall of Darth Vader".
Well, none is arguing that in TCD Fisto was faster then Kenobi.
ROTS Kenobi was Faster then AOTC Kenobi, but was he faster then Fisto? Im not sure. Fisto was a bit more agile (and even if he was faster, he was faster just a bit), I guess. But still, Kenobi was better, so who cares about speed's details?
Anyway, we can see both of them against Grievous - imo their speed looks equal.
And I agree with you about Ventress - she was a bit better then Grievous, and even in their first fight it wasn't looks that he was better fencer.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It seemed from Kenobi's perspective.Everything you're posting is rather non-canon, in my opinion. Most of that fight is.
No at the start of ROTS the narrative states that no one knew who would prevail if the two of them would have fought between Kenobi's cunning and Skywalker's brute strength.
Originally posted by Vensai
Kenobi's response to this friendly word was to regard him with a twinkle of gentle amusement in his eye.
"Very well, then," the Jedi said, and shot straight upward over Dooku's head so fast it seemed he'd vanished.This is from RoTS. Can Fisto do this?
Probably. Fisto did just as good against Grievous as ROTS Kenobi did, except without having Kenobi's experience against him. It took Kenobi multiple tries of consistent struggling against Grievous before he was able to handily defeat him. So you can list all of Kenobi's speed feats all you want, it doesn't change the fact that he still, even in ROTS, struggled against Grievous speed, whereas there is nothing to suggest that Fisto struggled against it. In fact, Fisto is the one who had Grievous on the defensive.
IMO, Kenobi likely takes it because of his skill in defensive fighting. Fisto is more aggressive and possibly even faster than Kenobi (again: looking at their performances against Grievous), but Kenobi is fast enough to defend himself against Fisto's attacks or evade them long enough to drag the fight out until Fisto tires out. But it would be a close fight, with no guaranteed win for either side.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66No, its not going to be close. You seem to be forgetting Fisto was raped by Sidious, where as Maul put up a good fight against him, and Kenobi is relatively on par with Maul.
I'd say they are pretty even in skill, with Fisto possibly being even faster consider he was able to force Grievous on the defensive, whereas Kenobi's defenses were overloaded by Grievous according to the novel. However, Fisto speed is not sufficient to just overwhelm and defeat Obi Wan. It would be a very good fight, a lot closer than what most people would think.
Originally posted by mnat801
No, its not going to be close. You seem to be forgetting Fisto was raped by Sidious, where as Maul put up a good fight against him, and Kenobi is relatively on par with Maul.
I agree. But instead of saying Maul put up a good fight against Sidious, I would say he put up a half decent Saber fight. Still a heck of a lot better than what Fisto was capable of.
But just for your reference, your not allowed to use the Sidious vs Maul and Opress fight it as evidence of anything when addressing SIDIOUS66.