My worry here is that there's no movie that's the end goal. They are both just staging something new.
Batman V Superman should be the focus as this itself could potentially be one of the biggest movie of all time. But Dawn of Justice is clearly a set up to Justice League.
So then Justice League is the big end goal right? Well no because Justice League is just the platform to launch solo movies for other DC characters which WB doesn't have the confidence to do before JL.
So the only end goal here seems to be a very long route to finally getting other big budget DC character solo movies who aren't called Superman or Batman.
Compare that to Marvel, who had the confidence to go straight in and do 4 Solo movies for 4 different Marvel characters. And it all built up to the Avengers which wasn't a platform for anything else. It was the end goal (of phase I at least) and just ended up being fantastic as a result of all the work they put into that being nothing but a great movie. No build up required, no setting up another franchise. Just an Epic movie. The only movie which was a platform setting up the Avengers was IM2. And we saw how that suffered in quality as a result.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Their goal is to catch up with Marvel, which is a stupid goal in the first place, as they don't need to.
I know just make a damn Wonder Woman movie. And a Flash movie. I'd be much more excited if those 2 films were confirmed instead of Justice League at this point. Then that would automatically be 4 big named franchises they would have.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I know just make a damn Wonder Woman movie. And a Flash movie. I'd be much more excited if those 2 films were confirmed instead of Justice League at this point. Then that would automatically be 4 big named franchises they would have.
Well Flash has a show, so maybe not home right now. There are still plenty of people that could carry a solo movie, though.
Originally posted by Firefly218
All of those movies were average. He has never done an amazing job imo.
I honestly, respectfully, disagree.
I actually rewatched Man of Steel last night. There were some iffy parts, and some things I would have done differently, but damn, that movie ****ing owns at times, and pretty much erases Superman Returns for me.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Well Flash has a show, so maybe not home right now.
Apparently the show's main plotlines have all come from The Flash movie script. So as excited as I am to see The Flash every week, it kind of sucks that it's probably at the cost of a Flash movie franchise.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I actually rewatched Man of Steel last night. There were some iffy parts, and some things I would have done differently, but damn, that movie ****ing owns at times, and pretty much erases Superman Returns for me.
Yep, I watched it the other night too. And some of the criticisms were getting to me, like when Supes pushes Zod through Smallville to get him off his mum, he just carries on flying crashing through s*** for no real reason except he's angry. And he doesn't stop until he lands in a petrol pump which explodes.
But at the same time as an action packed sci-fi superhero movie it did frigging Rock. The score's still in my head.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I actually rewatched Man of Steel last night. There were some iffy parts, and some things I would have done differently, but damn, that movie ****ing owns at times, and pretty much erases Superman Returns for me.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yep, I watched it the other night too. And some of the criticisms were getting to me, like when Supes pushes Zod through Smallville to get him off his mum, he just carries on flying crashing through s*** for no real reason except he's angry. And he doesn't stop until he lands in a petrol pump which explodes.But at the same time as an action packed sci-fi superhero movie it did frigging Rock. The score's still in my head.
From another thread (and updated)...
Originally posted by Mindship
Just watched MoS again for the first time in almost a year. Man what a great movie (no offense to those who did not like it). Hands down, not only my favorite Superman movie, but my favorite superhero movie (barely nudging out Avengers and ASM2).Was able to notice a few things too, including the destruction of Metropolis. I didn't realize it first time around: most of the city was destroyed by Zod and his forces, not the Superman/Zod fight. I also better appreciated Shannon's spin on Zod. Even the music I liked. If I had any complaint at all, it might be, Might be, that the movie was a bit long.
Heck, even Jenny Olsen grew on me.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
My worry here is that there's no movie that's the end goal. They are both just staging something new.Batman V Superman should be the focus as this itself could potentially be one of the biggest movie of all time. But Dawn of Justice is clearly a set up to Justice League.
So then Justice League is the big end goal right? Well no because Justice League is just the platform to launch solo movies for other DC characters which WB doesn't have the confidence to do before JL.
So the only end goal here seems to be a very long route to finally getting other big budget DC character solo movies who aren't called Superman or Batman.
Compare that to Marvel, who had the confidence to go straight in and do 4 Solo movies for 4 different Marvel characters. And it all built up to the Avengers which wasn't a platform for anything else. It was the end goal (of phase I at least) and just ended up being fantastic as a result of all the work they put into that being nothing but a great movie. No build up required, no setting up another franchise. Just an Epic movie. The only movie which was a platform setting up the Avengers was IM2. And we saw how that suffered in quality as a result.
My speculation is beginning to be right. I wanted their (Snyder's) vision to be one big epic trilogy of the JL and it looks to be spot on. People complain they are rushing, but their plan could very well work. Avengers will have 3 different villain in three different movies, but WB's plan is to have one big villain in their 3 movies. Similar to the Lord of the Rings and that would be awesome way to do things.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Apparently the show's main plotlines have all come from The Flash movie script. So as excited as I am to see The Flash every week, it kind of sucks that it's probably at the cost of a Flash movie franchise.Yep, I watched it the other night too. And some of the criticisms were getting to me, like when Supes pushes Zod through Smallville to get him off his mum, he just carries on flying crashing through s*** for no real reason except he's angry. And he doesn't stop until he lands in a petrol pump which explodes.
But at the same time as an action packed sci-fi superhero movie it did frigging Rock. The score's still in my head.
To me, a lot of the criticisms about how he uses his powers are largely baseless. He has almost no experience with them, and yet he has to match someone with his powers AND with training.
Add in how emotional he was at them threatening his mother, and I can understand how things could spill out. He's still learning, and that takes time.
I do hope they will reference things in the sequel too.
Originally posted by Firefly218
That's good for you. Maybe I'll watch it another time before supes v bats comes out
You should.
Originally posted by Golgo13
My speculation is beginning to be right. I wanted their (Snyder's) vision to be one big epic trilogy of the JL and it looks to be spot on. People complain they are rushing, but their plan could very well work. Avengers will have 3 different villain in three different movies, but WB's plan is to have one big villain in their 3 movies. Similar to the Lord of the Rings and that would be awesome way to do things.
if it works, great. Still a massive gamble, imo.
Originally posted by Mindship
From another thread (and updated)...
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Originally posted by -Pr-
To me, a lot of the criticisms about how he uses his powers are largely baseless. He has almost no experience with them, and yet he has to match someone with his powers AND with training.Add in how emotional he was at them threatening his mother, and I can understand how things could spill out. He's still learning, and that takes time.
I do hope they will reference things in the sequel too.
You should.
if it works, great. Still a massive gamble, imo.
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I'm just saying if they go that route it will be better than featuring 3 seperate villains. Actually, they can have a few villains in the trilogy just like LOTR. That's only if they go that way.
Originally posted by Inhuman
The "let me die invincible son" scene was laughable.
eh, it could have been handled better, but I thought the point of the scene was sound.
Originally posted by Golgo13
I'm just saying if they go that route it will be better than featuring 3 seperate villains. Actually, they can have a few villains in the trilogy just like LOTR. That's only if they go that way.
I wouldn't mind separate villains, tbh. Injustice Society and all.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Avengers will have 3 different villain in three different movies, but WB's plan is to have one big villain in their 3 movies. Similar to the Lord of the Rings and that would be awesome way to do things.
The MCU road map has always been 1 big villain and a bunch of minor ones (well not really minor , but not as big as the real big threat) till the big finale in Avengers 3.
Like Starwars movieverse. It was always palpatine as the big bad. Darth Maul, dooku, grevious, Vader, etc were just minor villains to the real threat in charge.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI am glad they are doing it differently.
I know just make a damn Wonder Woman movie. And a Flash movie. I'd be much more excited if those 2 films were confirmed instead of Justice League at this point. Then that would automatically be 4 big named franchises they would have.
Originally posted by Firefly218
It seems to me Supes vs Bats is Lex Luthor's origin story. The fact that they cast a young actor for Lex means he'll probably be a villain for multiple movies. A terrible idea considering Bryan Cranston was perfect and jobless
Cranston is too old for the Luthor they want.