WB to announce Superman/Batman & JLA movies

Originally posted by Firefly218
It did kind of "stifle creativity" for Marvel though. MAoS was average for the longest time.

MAOS being dull at the beginning had absolutely nothing to do with being part of a shared universe. On the contrary the shared universe helped improve the show massively, when they adopted the CA2 arc.

Fact is creative writers will write a great show shared universe or not. And crap writers will write a crap show shared universe or not.

Not to mention the creators of Arrow are already limited in what they can do, because shared universe or not, they don't want to repeat the same stuff on TV and on the big screen. So they have meetings regularly about what they are doing to make sure nothing clashes. It was the same with Smallville when they were making Superman Returns simultaneously.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

he sounds like a dumbass,, do u know if he has a facebook page then i can troll his ass 😄

He is clearly wrong.. Having Arrow and Flash a part of the DCCU would be great.It's two roles that they don;t have to cast. The built in audience is there. Plus also you can casually mention Supes, Bats, etc w/o having to ever have them star

Don't know about Facebook but I know he has a twitter page.

Lol talk of being wrong he's also called it a fact that adding Spider-Man to the Avengers wouldn't make Avengers any more money!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
MAOS being dull at the beginning had absolutely nothing to do with being part of a shared universe. On the contrary the shared universe helped improve the show massively, when they adopted the CA2 arc.

Fact is creative writers will write a great show shared universe or not. And crap writers will write a crap show shared universe or not.

Not to mention the creators of Arrow are already limited in what they can do, because shared universe or not, they don't want to repeat the same stuff on TV and on the big screen. So they have meetings regularly about what they are doing to make sure nothing clashes. It was the same with Smallville when they were making Superman Returns simultaneously.

Also, the show couldn't have any massive, threatening conflicts for SHIELD to dissolve. With anything major, that would raise tension of the show, the audience would be asking 'Where are the Avengers'. And major threats in MAoS might disrupt movie continuity, as the movies might have to mention SHIELD resolving the threat - and movie goers who haven't seen SHIELD will be confused and left out.

Great writers can pull it off, but it does "stifle creativity" to an extent.

The arrow universe is fine on its own. And frankly, TV arrow is too grounded and regular to be hanging out with Superman and Wonder Woman

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

He is clearly wrong.. Having Arrow and Flash a part of the DCCU would be great.It's two roles that they don;t have to cast. The built in audience is there. Plus also you can casually mention Supes, Bats, etc w/o having to ever have them star

The built in audience is like 5 million people. Financially, combining the TV and cinematic universe wouldn't help much. It would be great for fans of the show, but the majority of movie goers wouldn't care either way.

Also, what's wrong with having a movie version of Arrow and Flash. It would actually help the TV shows just as much, without stifling creativity.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Sure, great writers would be able to pull it off. But you can't deny that the shared universe "stifled creativity". MAoS wasn't allowed the use of many great characters, that would have provided good story arcs. Also, the show was forced to mold it's stories to accommodate for the movies. The show had to build it's first season around HYDRA, because of Captain America 2.

Also, the show couldn't have any massive, threatening conflicts for SHIELD to dissolve. With anything major, that would raise tension of the show, the audience would be asking 'Where are the Avengers'. And major threats in MAoS might disrupt movie continuity, as the movies might have to mention SHIELD resolving the threat - and movie goers who haven't seen SHIELD will be confused and left out.

Great writers can pull it off, but it does "stifle creativity" to an extent.

The arrow universe is fine on its own. And frankly, TV arrow is too grounded and regular to be hanging out with Superman and Wonder Woman

Well said. I mean, how are WB supposed to explain Arrow and Flash apart of Superman (MOS) universe? Or are they somehow going to pluck these characters to their universe to accommodate them?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Don't know about Facebook but I know he has a twitter page.

Lol talk of being wrong he's also called it a fact that adding Spider-Man to the Avengers wouldn't make Avengers any more money!

my sister follows him on twitter..

having spidey on the avengers would make that film tons of money

Originally posted by Firefly218
The built in audience is like 5 million people. Financially, combining the TV and cinematic universe wouldn't help much. It would be great for fans of the show, but the majority of movie goers wouldn't care either way.

Also, what's wrong with having a movie version of Arrow and Flash. It would actually help the TV shows just as much, without stifling creativity.

so tell me then what is Marvel's Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D.S ratings with and without the tie ins??? Also tell me the ratings for the show when it has gone up against NCIS???? How exactly would you know that combining the tv and movie universes wouldn''t help financially?? So you have spoken to every movie goer and they told you this???? lmao
Stifling creativity=Bullshiite answer .. When WB tried the first time when Smallville was still on the air , they did try to get Welling to be Supes on the big screen, he of course turned it down and the role went to Routh.. That was confusing to people , it wasn't just the bad acting and fracked up plot that turned that film into flop city

Originally posted by ares834
Not sure why so many people are bitching about the color. It's Gotham, it's supposed to be gray and dreary like that. It's gotta sorta "film noir" color scheme which matches it perfectly.

That's understandable for Gotham, but outside of that city, there needs to be more color. Even the sunniest parts of Man of Steel were too cold. I don't think the general audience will complain if there's some ruddiness on Cavill's cheek and him wearing a properly saturated red and blue suit.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He's talking about the movie in GENERAL.

I know, which is why I'm that worries me a little. The color scheme is the least of my worries, but it wouldn't hurt to add a little more color than Man of Steel had.

Originally posted by Femi32
That's understandable for Gotham, but outside of that city, there needs to be more color. Even the sunniest parts of Man of Steel were too cold. I don't think the general audience will complain if there's some ruddiness on Cavill's cheek and him wearing a properly saturated red and blue suit.

I know, which is why I'm that worries me a little. The color scheme is the least of my worries, but it wouldn't hurt to add a little more color than Man of Steel had.

That's what I'm saying. Nothing to be worried about, because there should be more color. That's to say if Snyder isn't lying.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Sure, great writers would be able to pull it off. But you can't deny that the shared universe "stifled creativity". MAoS wasn't allowed the use of many great characters, that would have provided good story arcs. Also, the show was forced to mold it's stories to accommodate for the movies. The show had to build it's first season around HYDRA, because of Captain America 2.

Also, the show couldn't have any massive, threatening conflicts for SHIELD to dissolve. With anything major, that would raise tension of the show, the audience would be asking 'Where are the Avengers'. And major threats in MAoS might disrupt movie continuity, as the movies might have to mention SHIELD resolving the threat - and movie goers who haven't seen SHIELD will be confused and left out.

Great writers can pull it off, but it does "stifle creativity" to an extent.

The arrow universe is fine on its own. And frankly, TV arrow is too grounded and regular to be hanging out with Superman and Wonder Woman

Don't agree tbh. MAOS was pretty boring at the beginning. And that had nothing to do with "Oh we can't use Thor or Hulk so we're stuck. ." And btw Arrow's really not that free to bring in Superman and Wonder Woman on its show anyway. Because without a shared universe it would be pretty difficult to randomly explain super powered aliens being around in a show as grounded as Arrow.

Bruce Skywalker is right that MAOS being part of a shared universe had certainly helped it commercially. And yes they were forced to adopt CA2's plot, but as anyone who watches the show knows, it's that plot which massively improved the show. They built on the creativity of the CA2 writers so that was bound to help.

Also don't see why Tv Arrow can hang out with Tv Flash but not with movie Superman/Wonder Woman. Especially considering this is probably the most grounded Superman we've ever had.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Well said. I mean, how are WB supposed to explain Arrow and Flash apart of Superman (MOS) universe? Or are they somehow going to pluck these characters to their universe to accommodate them?

What do you mean? All they would need is a cameo of Arrow in BvS, and when the Flash shows up in JL have it be Grant Gustin. That's really not an issue. The issue is that WB can hardly make a plan right now, let alone a massive media expanding shared Universe.

But if they do decide to go that route I'll remember that you thought it was a bad idea ; )

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What do you mean? All they would need is a cameo of Arrow in BvS, and when the Flash shows up in JL have it be Grant Gustin. That's really not an issue. The issue is that WB can hardly make a plan right now, let alone a massive media expanding shared Universe.

But if they do decide to go that route I'll remember that you thought it was a bad idea ; )

WB DOES have a plan. If Nikki's list is true (Which was confirmed by Kevin Smith) and it's a good one. Just because they're not FORCING their TV characters on screen doesn't mean they don't have a plan.

There is no hint of a shared universe within the TVverse and that's why I don't want it now. It would be forced.

I'm conflicted on bridging the tv and cinematic universes. On one hand I'd love to see Arrow connected but on the other I can't see the tv version of the Flash working well with the films.

Originally posted by ares834
I'm conflicted on bridging the tv and cinematic universes. On one hand I'd love to see Arrow connected but on the other I can't see the tv version of the Flash working well with the films.

I can. Plus I think it would be original and different to the MCU in that one of the main JL Members story is told on weekly tv series. And at least we would have more origin stories that way.

But they're not going to do it so no point in me dwelling on it I guess.

@Gòglo: They have a plan which is just jumping straight into JL. That's really stupid IMHO. Do the GL/ Flash do movie before JL and I'd be more down with it.

Also is that plan even confirmed?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I can. Plus I think it would be original and different to the MCU in that one of the main JL Members story is told on weekly tv series. And at least we would have more origin stories that way.

But they're not going to do it so no point in me dwelling on it I guess.

@Gòglo: They have a plan which is just jumping straight into JL. That's really stupid IMHO. Do the GL/ Flash do movie before JL and I'd be more down with it.

Also is that plan even confirmed?

You just agreed it could work a few weeks ago. I think their plan on stretching the films will work.

I just can't get over them starting a Flash Tv series instead of doing a Flash solo movie. The storyline s from the pilot are all taken from the Movie script they had. A script which apparently had a Green Lantern cameo at the end (which in hindsight would have been a perfect lead into the rumoured Flash/GL duo film).

I agreed a build up of 4/5 films could work. Putting the Flash/Gl duo film before JL would be building up. But doing that after already seeing them in JL won't be building up.. That will be spinning off.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

so tell me then what is Marvel's Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D.S ratings with and without the tie ins??? Also tell me the ratings for the show when it has gone up against NCIS???? How exactly would you know that combining the tv and movie universes wouldn''t help financially?? So you have spoken to every movie goer and they told you this???? lmao
Stifling creativity=Bullshiite answer .. When WB tried the first time when Smallville was still on the air , they did try to get Welling to be Supes on the big screen, he of course turned it down and the role went to Routh.. That was confusing to people , it wasn't just the bad acting and fracked up plot that turned that film into flop city

The point is, having TV Arrow and Flash in the movies rather than different movie versions will NOT help the movies. The proof is in the numbers. Arrow, relative to other network shows, has a very minor viewership. 3 million would be a good week for Arrow.

And although combining TV and cinematic universes would drastically increase Arrow and Flash viewership, I still feel it would do more harm than good. The showrunners for Arrow and Flash would have to explain the events of MoS, and their impact on Oliver and Barry. I mean a ****in alien invasion happened and it was never mentioned in Arrow? Also, Arrow wouldn't be able to have such important, intense story arcs. Next time Merlin is trying to destroy a whole city, viewers will be asking for Superman and batman rather than Arrow. MAOS suffered from the same thing. The only time MAOS could bring in a legitimate threat was after Captain America 2 had already introduced it and destroyed it.

Besides, having movie versions of Arrow and Flash could help the Tv shows just as much.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Also don't see why Tv Arrow can hang out with Tv Flash but not with movie Superman/Wonder Woman. Especially considering this is probably the most grounded Superman we've ever had.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I just can't get over them starting a Flash Tv series instead of doing a Flash solo movie. The storyline s from the pilot are all taken from the Movie script they had. A script which apparently had a Green Lantern cameo at the end (which in hindsight would have been a perfect lead into the rumoured Flash/GL duo film).

I agreed a build up of 4/5 films could work. Putting the Flash/Gl duo film before JL would be building up. But doing that after already seeing them in JL won't be building up.. That will be spinning off.

No, when Kevin Smith announced the rumors of having a trilogy type setting (Or a Harry Potter system), which is all one big storyline, you agreed that could work.

I don't know if they will do that, but with the list Nikki gave, it sure seems it's possible.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Sure, the tie-ins helped MAOS ratings. And yes, combining DC TV and cinematic universes would help Arrow and Flash.

The point is, having TV Arrow and Flash in the movies rather than different movie versions will NOT help the movies. The proof is in the numbers. Arrow, relative to other network shows, has a very minor viewership. 3 million would be a good week for Arrow.

And although combining TV and cinematic universes would drastically increase Arrow and Flash viewership, I still feel it would do more harm than good. The showrunners for Arrow and Flash would have to explain the events of MoS, and their impact on Oliver and Barry. I mean a ****in alien invasion happened and it was never mentioned in Arrow? Also, Arrow wouldn't be able to have such important, intense story arcs. Next time Merlin is trying to destroy a whole city, viewers will be asking for Superman and batman rather than Arrow. MAOS suffered from the same thing. The only time MAOS could bring in a legitimate threat was after Captain America 2 had already introduced it and destroyed it.

Besides, having movie versions of Arrow and Flash could help the Tv shows just as much.

Yeah, nothing was even mentioned about the events of MOS.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I just can't get over them starting a Flash Tv series instead of doing a Flash solo movie. The storyline s from the pilot are all taken from the Movie script they had. A script which apparently had a Green Lantern cameo at the end (which in hindsight would have been a perfect lead into the rumoured Flash/GL duo film).

I agreed a build up of 4/5 films could work. Putting the Flash/Gl duo film before JL would be building up. But doing that after already seeing them in JL won't be building up.. That will be spinning off.

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Originally posted by Firefly218
Sure, the tie-ins helped MAOS ratings. And yes, combining DC TV and cinematic universes would help Arrow and Flash.

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Originally posted by Firefly218 The point is, having TV Arrow and Flash in the movies rather than different movie versions will NOT help the movies. The proof is in the numbers. Arrow, relative to other network shows, has a very minor viewership. 3 million would be a good week for Arrow.

How exactly do you know that??? Nobody knows until it actually happens, if indeed it does. 3 million viewers is good for a show on the CW. The same can be said for Agents of S.H.IE.L.D. and yet that show is on a much better and bigger network

Originally posted by Firefly218 And although combining TV and cinematic universes would drastically increase Arrow and Flash viewership, I still feel it would do more harm than good. The showrunners for Arrow and Flash would have to explain the events of MoS, and their impact on Oliver and Barry. I mean a ****in alien invasion happened and it was never mentioned in Arrow? Also, Arrow wouldn't be able to have such important, intense story arcs. Next time Merlin is trying to destroy a whole city, viewers will be asking for Superman and batman rather than Arrow. MAOS suffered from the same thing. The only time MAOS could bring in a legitimate threat was after Captain America 2 had already introduced it and destroyed it.

Even if they do and THAT is a BIG IF, it can be explained in such a way that makes sense.

Originally posted by Firefly218 Besides, having movie versions of Arrow and Flash could help the Tv shows just as much.

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