WB to announce Superman/Batman & JLA movies

Originally posted by Firefly218
He'll be massively outclassed if he's on a team with Superman, batman and Wonder Woman. Frankly, I can't think of a scenario where the Justice League would actually need Arrow.

Kind of like how Black Widow and Hawkeye were massively outclassed on the Avengers. (Heck even Cap was). Yet Whedon made a way for them all to fit, and make them all useful. A great story teller and Director will do that. In fact they already have that issue with Batman. And Arrow is already outclassed by The Flash, yet they will clearly have team ups. Green Lantern was a regular on Smallville, and that was with one of the most powerful incarnations of Superman.

Also I never said Arrow would have to be part of the JL. He could show up in the Batman solo movies or something. And/or have a cameo in JL.

But The Flash of course needs to be in JL.

Originally posted by Firefly218
The point is, having TV Arrow and Flash in the movies rather than different movie versions will NOT help the movies. The proof is in the numbers. Arrow, relative to other network shows, has a very minor viewership. 3 million would be a good week for Arrow.

That's a pretty simplistic view to take tbh.

If they did join the Universes then it would obviously be hyped and marketed to the extent where most people are aware of that.

Then just the fact that the Flash would now have an origin story would aid their JL movie massively. Because so far the only solo franchise we're getting is Superman, and the only other build up we're getting to JL is BvS. They need a larger build up, and they need people to know that they're not just randomly putting in all the main heroes, but that others have an origin story and development somewhere- In this case that somewhere would be Tv. That alone will aid the JL film and that alone is reason enough to do it. Honestly if they just did the Flash movie instead of the Tv series then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

As for the 3 million viewers, well the pilot had 4 million, and then there will be Flash's ratings to add to that, and that's excluding downloads. In the days before massive downloads the Sex and the City finale was supposed to be a successful one with 10million viewers. Guess what the Sex and the City movie grossed? Over $400mill WW. The you have to factor that as soon as it's announced that the TV and Movie Universes will be joined, new audiences will go catch up on Arrow and The Flash series and word of mouth and hype will spread. So you honestly can't tell me that including the Flash and/or Arrow in the movie Universe wouldn't make a difference of a good $100mill to the gross earnings.

Originally posted by Firefly218
And although combining TV and cinematic universes would drastically increase Arrow and Flash viewership, I still feel it would do more harm than good. The showrunners for Arrow and Flash would have to explain the events of MoS, and their impact on Oliver and Barry. I mean a ****in alien invasion happened and it was never mentioned in Arrow?

LOL So mention it in the next season. Not really a big issue if they make the decision to join them they could play around with the timeline as much as they wanted. Heck they could even say MOS takes place 5 years after Arrow if they wanted.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Also, Arrow wouldn't be able to have such important, intense story arcs. Next time Merlin is trying to destroy a whole city, viewers will be asking for Superman and batman rather than Arrow.

You mean like how viewers went crazy with intense arch in Cap2 because Thor, Hulk and Hawkeye didn't help out.

Or how everyone went crazy with the intense arch in IM3 because Cap, Thor and Hulk didn't help out.

No one's going to have a seizure over it. And like I already mentioned they can play with the timeline for the Tv series, a luxury the Marvel solo movies and MAOS really don't have.

Originally posted by Firefly218
MAOS suffered from the same thing. The only time MAOS could bring in a legitimate threat was after Captain America 2 had already introduced it and destroyed it.

That's not why MAOS sucked at the beginning. It was because there was a serious lack of creativity and the characters were not likeable. Arrow rocked from the beginning, and it's not like that began with a world ending threat. Besides SHIELD by it's very nature will mostly tackle world ending threats that most the world are not even aware of, kind of like James Bond.

Also now that The Flash is in the same Universe, Arrow already has those issues to deal with, but clearly the writers think they can handle those issues.

And you know for all the "Let's not stifle their Creativity" arguments, there's even more pressure for GREAT episodes, because there's no excuse not to have them. But fact is every show can and will disappoint at some time. Smallville had a horrible finale, without any shared universe issues. But at least being part of the Shared Universe would make it all more exciting, even when creativity is down and episodes are getting weaker.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Besides, having movie versions of Arrow and Flash could help the Tv shows just as much.

True, but not to the same extent. The Flash would benefit more than Arrow. In fact chances are without a shared universe, we won't even see Green Arrow on the big screen.

Originally posted by Golgo13
No, when Kevin Smith announced the rumors of having a trilogy type setting (Or a Harry Potter system), which is all one big storyline, you agreed that could work.

I don't know if they will do that, but with the list Nikki gave, it sure seems it's possible.

I think we misunderstood each other. I was talking about the JL building up over 4 or 5 movies, introducing new characters with each movie until you have the full roster by the end of it. That I agreed could work.

But by this mysterious list, it seems like GL and Flash will just be thrown into JL and have their spin off afterwards with still no sign of a Flash solo franchise.

Honestly starting the Flash tv series which is not even sharing a universe with the films, instead of doing a Flash movie series which would be part of the DCCU was a really silly thing to do IMHO.

I'm glad I'm getting a weekly Flash series. I really am. I just think the cost of it (doing it instead of a Flash solo movie part of the DCCU) was too high.

a couple spoilers from Batman on film

http://www.batman-on-film.com/BvS_spoilerless-scoop_shoeless_Batsuit-color-Lex-hair_7-10-14.html

as if this film isn't already crowded, it's rumored Doomsday will appear..

http://www.superherohype.com/news/307701-doomsday-to-appear-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice#/slide/1

All these characters that are being crammed into this movie even if just a cameo makes it seem more like this is going to be a 2 hour trailer for the justice League movie.

Lol Campea from movie talk implied that DC might surprise everyone by dropping this movie in 2015 as originally planned, I would have to admit, that would be a brilliant move if the 2016 release date was a red herring.

Originally posted by Inhuman
All these characters that are being crammed into this movie even if just a cameo makes it seem more like this is going to be a 2 hour trailer for the justice League movie.

i was thinking closer to 3 hours 🙁 😄

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Lol Campea from movie talk implied that DC might surprise everyone by dropping this movie in 2015 as originally planned, I would have to admit, that would be a brilliant move if the 2016 release date was a red herring.

that or they are moving back because they are scared to take on Marvel head on

I could see them moving back to like December 2015 to really get people going.

Im guessing they dont really want to release that close to Christmas. Im thinking mid January 2016

Originally posted by JayDaDon
I could see them moving back to like December 2015 to really get people going.

They won't go head to head with CA3, but there's no other time of year for them to push it back to because like Firefly said Star Wars 7 is out in December. So my guess they will push it back a few weeks at most.

Originally posted by Inhuman
All these characters that are being crammed into this movie even if just a cameo makes it seem more like this is going to be a 2 hour trailer for the justice League movie.

Which means chances are it won't be that good. Judging by the other films that were adverts for bigger team-up movies: IM2 & TASM2.

And that's a real shame because if Batman v Superman just focused on those 2, then it alone had the potential to rival Avengers.

But now looks like they're screwing up B v S to rush JL. But if B v S isn't that good, then no one's even going to be interested in JL, given the only selling points of JL are Batman and Superman. Because there's no successful solo films/franchises for any of the other JL members.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They won't go head to head with CA3, but there's no other time of year for them to push it back to because like Firefly said Star Wars 7 is out in December. So my guess they will push it back a few weeks at most.

There was that rumor that WB would move this back two weeks i believe

Originally posted by DARTH POWER But now looks like they're screwing up B v S to rush JL. But if B v S isn't that good, then no one's even going to be interested in JL, given the only selling points of JL are Batman and Superman. Because there's no successful solo films/franchises for any of the other JL members.

WB will have no one to blame but themselves if this film tanks, when all they had to do was take their time and put out a damn good film

I actually forgot star wars is next year already! Yeah then nevermind

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Which means chances are it won't be that good. Judging by the other films that were adverts for bigger team-up movies: IM2 & TASM2.

And that's a real shame because if Batman v Superman just focused on those 2, then it alone had the potential to rival Avengers.

But now looks like they're screwing up B v S to rush JL. But if B v S isn't that good, then no one's even going to be interested in JL, given the only selling points of JL are Batman and Superman. Because there's no successful solo films/franchises for any of the other JL members.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
WB will have no one to blame but themselves if this film tanks, when all they had to do was take their time and put out a damn good film

- At first it was suppose to be a Superman sequel

- Then It was a superman sequel that would feature batman as well

- Then, Batman will have as much screen time as superman and may also feature a small cameo from wonder woman

- "Batman v Superman : dawn of justice" . The batman name now over takes the title of what was suppose to be a superman sequel originally . Wonder woman now will have a bigger role than just a cameo.

- Seems like more and more is being crammed into the film every week. More chracters will be featured in this film including :Cyborg, aquaman, robin/nightwing, Lex, catwoman, Zsasz maybe flash, arrow, doomsday and maybe others im forgetting.

- All this cramming and rushing might just be a trailer or build up movie for the upcoming Justice League movie that comes after.

"What happened to my sequel?"

A proper Superman sequel will probably come later, with Lex Luthor as the main villain.

Justice League movies will get the biggest threats, like doomsday.

Originally posted by Inhuman
- At first it was suppose to be a Superman sequel

- Then It was a superman sequel that would feature batman as well

- Then, Batman will have as much screen time as superman and may also feature a small cameo from wonder woman

- "Batman v Superman : dawn of justice" . The batman name now over takes the title of what was suppose to be a superman sequel originally . Wonder woman now will have a bigger role than just a cameo.

- Seems like more and more is being crammed into the film every week. More chracters will be featured in this film including :Cyborg, aquaman, robin/nightwing, Lex, catwoman, Zsasz maybe flash, arrow, doomsday and maybe others im forgetting.

- All this cramming and rushing might just be a trailer or build up movie for the upcoming Justice League movie that comes after.

[b]"What happened to my sequel?"

[/B]

poor , poor supes crying lmao..

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Lol Campea from movie talk implied that DC might surprise everyone by dropping this movie in 2015 as originally planned, I would have to admit, that would be a brilliant move if the 2016 release date was a red herring.

That would be amazing. I don't want to wait until 2016. lol

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

WB will have no one to blame but themselves if this film tanks, when all they had to do was take their time and put out a damn good film

They'll just blame DC Properties saying they are "larger than life characters" and "too out there and over the top" to name a good film out of. Iirc that was one of their executives first reactions to Green Lantern flopping, suggesting they should only do Animated movies for DC Superheroes (except for Batman). Sad. Real Sad.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They'll just blame DC Properties saying they are "larger than life characters" and "too out there and over the top" to name a good film out of. Iirc that was one of their executives first reactions to Green Lantern flopping, suggesting they should only do Animated movies for DC Superheroes (except for Batman). Sad. Real Sad.

Could that excuse really fly when Marvel is throwing out decent to amazing movies with every franchise they have rights to? WB will have to admit they aren't the best at spearheading comic book movies without DC involved at some point if they keep screwing up.

The whole reason they are rushing to Justice League is because Marvel is showing that these movies are viable. I just wished they rushed to complete solo film plans before Justice League.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They'll just blame DC Properties saying they are "larger than life characters" and "too out there and over the top" to name a good film out of. Iirc that was one of their executives first reactions to Green Lantern flopping, suggesting they should only do Animated movies for DC Superheroes (except for Batman). Sad. Real Sad.

i agree..

Originally posted by Femi32
Could that excuse really fly when Marvel is throwing out decent to amazing movies with every franchise they have rights to? WB will have to admit they aren't the best at spearheading comic book movies without DC involved at some point if they keep screwing up.

The whole reason they are rushing to Justice League is because Marvel is showing that these movies are viable. I just wished they rushed to complete solo film plans before Justice League.

remember this is WB we are talking about