Originally posted by Interneton
Please tell me Lestov16 and myself are not the only ones on KMC who liked the movie.
Plenty of people have stated that they liked the movie, but even most of the hardcore fans, IE the ones that have been defending this movie for years and are still doing so in this thread have admitted that it had serious problems and only rated it around 6-7/10.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Miller's Batman has forbidden Mutants/Sons of Batman to use guns. Or was that in the movie only?
I don't recall; I just remember Miller's Batman using firearms ar least once.
Then there's All Star Batman and his fondness for barbecues.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Again, you're looking at this through the preconceived expectations of what you think a comic book movie should be. Marvel and DC tell different stories. Marvel takes stories about superheroes and look at them as flawed men granted great powers and troubled about what to do with it, whereas DC take the grandiose approach and look at superheroes as gods, anthropomorphic personifications of abstract concepts and ideals of which they hold unflinching conviction, and the effect they have on public perception. Both stories are equally interesting, but it seems the MCU has caused bias of one over another. This is my complaint with the criticism of this movie.
Both companies do both when it comes to comics. It used to be that marvel did the more grounded and dc did the more "icon" type stuff, but they've both ended up just doing both anyway.
Still doesn't explain the issues with BvS though. It has its problems.
Originally posted by InternetonFrank Miller's isn't comic Batman. It's just one iteration.
I think people are overreacting to the movie's flaws. It's just another popcorn movie, one with a surprisingly dark tone to it. It shouldn't be so difficult to be entertained and yet people expect so much. It's just depressing to me not only because of the amount of people who don't like it, but the amount of people who refuse to like both it and Marvel's movies as a whole. I don't think it's a Marvel conspiracy or anything. I just don't understand why people think it's as bad as it is. Agreeing to disagreeing is the most anyone should do. It doesn't have to be a pissing contest.Personally, I liked it and can still see its flaws. The writing, pacing, and some of the dialogue was off. I felt that Lois Lane and Martha Kent were misused as the only other major female characters besides Wonder Woman herself. This version of Lex Luthor was waaaay too over-the-top and weird. He should have been put in Arkham Asylum or something. I was under the impression that he' a more subdued villain than this. It also was a little too dark tonally because it never any of Superman's lighter side - something even Man of Steel did. Finally, it just didn't focus enough on the whole "Batman vs Superman" premise that is the very title of the movie.
That said, I was still satisfied overall because of the entertainment factor. It was so badass. They gave us the perfect version of Batman, more true to the comics than any other film incarnation of him. He's the closest thing we'll ever get to a live-action Frank Miller Batman. I appreciated the fight scenes, the darkness, the emotion, the political elements, and the attempt to make the film feel more like our world by having real-life celebrities talk about Superman. I loved the Justice League cameos and all the hints of a much bigger universe. Wonder Woman was cool, although I'm not entirely sold on Gal Gadot yet. The performances themselves are another highlight, given what the actors had to work with. Overall, it just offers a much different experience from the average lighter Marvel film.
The movie was pure fan service. I wish it strove to be more than that though. I hope that the R-rated version with all the deleted footage will redeem it.Despite the film's length, it still needed more story. A better cut of this movie can be made.
I have hope for Justice League because Chris Terrio is writing the script himself without any influence from David S. Goyer. If they completely tossed out Goyer's draft for BvS and had Terrio write it from scratch, it could have been much better. I also hope that Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman succeed where BvS and MoS failed. These films could get so much more than mixed reviews.
Please tell me Lestov16 and myself are not the only ones on KMC who liked the movie. No one ever said it was perfect and perfection is non-existent when it comes to any movie. I happen to like Fox-Men and Marvel as well. I want all three cinematic universes to succeed. I prefer the DC Extended Universe because it strives to be something different, a little edgier. The DCEU has potential and I don't want it to end before it fully started. Warner Bros definitely need to take both fan and critic concerns seriously from here on.
Originally posted by -Pr-Still doesn't explain the issues with BvS though. It has its problems.
Structural problems, but nothing that warrants a 30% on RT. Especially when IM3 has a 79%
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
A) They're trying to fit 3 stories into 1
B) They're racing to establish their universe.
AKA flaws far more extensive, apparent, and insufferable to sit through in Age of Ultron
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Frank Miller's isn't comic Batman. It's just one iteration.
I meant it's one iteration of the comic Batman brought to life. That's something I felt that the other movies didn't give us. The other movie takes on him felt like the various directors' own versions of him. Except for Schumacher's. That was definitely inspired by the 1960s Adam West iteration. Anyway, I didn't mean to imply that Frank Miller's Batman was the definitive version.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't recall; I just remember Miller's Batman using firearms ar least once.
He used mercy-bullets (All this metal and you don't even use it to kill), a sonic gun and minor explosives. He wasn't killing people.
He didn't even kill Joker; Joker offed himself, giving Bats trouble with cops.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Plenty of people have stated that they liked the movie, but even most of the hardcore fans, IE the ones that have been defending this movie for years and are still doing so in this thread have admitted that it had serious problems and only rated it around 6-7/10.
I gave it a 7.5. But Kmc is hardly a large representation.
Average cinema score is B. 72% Audience score on RT, and 7.5 on IMDb.
Those scores are aggregating the lovers and the haters.
Originally posted by Lestov16I don't think you want to go by audience rating; seeing as that movie you love to trash, Age of Ultron; has a 84% audience approval rating.
It has a 72% (3.8/5) audience rating on RT, which I think is the most appropriate score. So clearly audiences agree with me even if the critics do not.
You should probably just accept that a lot of us don't like the movie because we feel it's not a good movie. It's not because we're dumb. It's not because BvS is too smart for us. It's because it's just not a good movie.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He used mercy-bullets (All this metal and you don't even use it to kill), a sonic gun and minor explosives. He wasn't killing people.He didn't even kill Joker; Joker offed himself, giving Bats trouble with cops.
Why do I remember the scene with the baby then that was reproduced pretty closely in the movie?
Also, wtf are mercy bullets?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Batman is just a shitty hero who doesn't value life. The DC stands out as incompetent and carefree heroes.
"I'm Tony Stark. I'm also IronMan. Hey bad guys, this is my home address. Come get me."
"Oh errr...I forgot to mention to my live-in gf that I told you guys to attack me at home. Could you maybe fire missiles at my home & demolish it when she's out shopping? I wouldn't want her to get hurt or anything."
"I'm Tony Stark. Screw you Banner, I'm building a sentient AI being the size of my ego!"
I think the audience should choose the actors who's going to play in their movies. They should also be able to choose between certain plots and storylines, and have their say in the characters art and depiction.
Then after they can edit all the garbage out and far improve it before it even comes out.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Why do I remember the scene with the baby then that was reproduced pretty closely in the movie?
Can't recall the baby scene atm. Was it in the animated version?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Also, wtf are mercy bullets?
Rubber bullets. He fired them from the batmobile (bat-tank, more like), wreaking havoc among the Mutants.