With Superman tone is part of the character, though. He's a living beacon of hope and security. With Watchmen Snyder did essentially a panel by panel adaptation of the comic almost perfectly. I don't see how you read Superman comics and get what we got in MoS or BvS as anywhere close to an accurate adaptation of Superman.
I'd disagree there. Just because a film has humor and charismatic characters like Tony Stark doesn't make everyone involved in the film happy go lucky. Cap himself was serious in both Avengers films as well as his standalone films, as was Thor. Superman, on the other hand, is too dour and conflicted, and that's not how he is depicted in the comics, and then the overall film he's in play out as a disaster movie.
Originally posted by MF DELPHCorrect. The characterizations for the characters have been consistent in the MCU. Iron Man is always snarky no matter the movie; constantly throwing out 1 liners and trying to mask his fear with sarcasm. Cap is generally just trying to find a way to live in this time; and taking things seriously in the process. He's never overly dark and grim; but also never overly humorous.
I'd disagree there. Just because a film has humor and charismatic characters like Tony Stark doesn't make everyone involved in the film happy go lucky. Cap himself was serious in both Avengers films as well as his standalone films, as was Thor. Superman, on the other hand, is too dour and conflicted, and that's not how he is depicted in the comics, and then the overall film he's in play out as a disaster movie.
Eh, to be fair Superman can vary wildly depending on the writer and the tone said writer chooses.
Not going to pretend Snyder got it spot on, but there's a ton of room to play with, and there's really no "definitive" one way to make Superman. Not since the Reeve days anyway.
They could get away with making small changes for Justice League and he'd be fine, imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-True. But we got an elseworlds version of Batman in this movie, and a Superman with all the personality of an old shoe. I'd say the characterization isn't that great. It's not Cavill's fault that they told him to be completely and utterly boring and brooding.
Eh, to be fair Superman can vary wildly depending on the writer and the tone said writer chooses.Not going to pretend Snyder got it spot on, but there's a ton of room to play with, and there's really no "definitive" one way to make Superman. Not since the Reeve days anyway.
They could get away with making small changes for Justice League and he'd be fine, imo.
If I were looking for a happy medium as a director I'd shoot more for the Superman TAS/JL/JLU depiction of Superman mixed with a lil Reeves as far as tone/personality is concerned. Snyder has gone more the videogame/Injustice route, even hinting at the fact that
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if Lois dies Superman would become a despot in the dream sequence/vision of the future from Flash.
Got a question about the movie:
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Was that scout ship that was in Metropolis with the Genesis Chamber the same scout ship that Superman had taken (with the open stasis pod that Kara was likely in) and later Zod commandeered in MoS?If so, how did that ship suddenly have a fingerprint reader for systems access when in MoS it required those pentagon shaped command keys to operate and if you didn't have one of those keys the sentry drones would attack you like they attacked Kal and Lois in MoS?
Originally posted by juggernaut74That is the one thing that BVS has going for it. There really is no competition. Though, I did watch Zootopia yesterday. Fun movie; but it's been out for a while now.
Well there is no competition this weekend but I expect a 65% drop this weekend. Kinda normal for a blockbuster.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Got a question about the movie:Spoiler:
Was that scout ship that was in Metropolis with the Genesis Chamber the same scout ship that Superman had taken (with the open stasis pod that Kara was likely in) and later Zod commandeered in MoS?If so, how did that ship suddenly have a fingerprint reader for systems access when in MoS it required those pentagon shaped command keys to operate and if you didn't have one of those keys the sentry drones would attack you like they attacked Kal and Lois in MoS?
Seems like it, as all other Kryptonian ships were either destroyed or sucked into the singularity.
Probably just a continuity error we're supposed to overlook. The ship did seem to have Clark's "S" key still in place though. But I thought Lois took that to Zod's ship and how Jor-El's program was able to help her.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
If I were looking for a happy medium as a director I'd shoot more for the Superman TAS/JL/JLU depiction of Superman mixed with a lil Reeves as far as tone/personality is concerned. Snyder has gone more the videogame/Injustice route, even hinting at the fact thatSpoiler:
if Lois dies Superman would become a despot in the dream sequence/vision of the future from Flash.
Hey remember JLU Superman was pissed a lot, just beating hard guys like Shazam.
And don't forget the JLU storyline about Supes from the alternate reality turning evil, and the potential for that in the main Universe.
There's lots of dark stores they can do with Superman. Also the impression I got in these movies, is that he's on the path to be that beacon of hope for the world and will probably get there in the next couple of movies.
I think Zod had his own command key and then overwrote/deleted the Jor-El AI when he took over the ship, and Professor Hamilton and Lois had the House of El command key. Saying that, though, I still don't understand how
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Lex Luthor placing Zod's fingerprints on his own hands was a necessary action when he had Zod's entire corpse, and how even with his fingerprints the security drones weren't able to tell that Luthor wasn't Zod like they were able to tell Lois wasn't supposed to be on the ship and attacked her after Kal had put the command key into the drive in MoS. It was like that scene was only added to show Lex using the kryptonite scalpel in a morbid way.