Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Interesting article from Screen Rant analysing BvS's final box office result:

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-box-office-analysis/

A very glass half full analysis. Trying to compare this to the early days of the MCU, when analysis were skeptical of these characters being C-listers and not well known because Marvel already had their so-called A-listers - Spider Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four - licensed out to other studios, and how could the Avengers characters be good box office? Remember that talk? That's why the critical and financial success of the first Iron Man was such a shock to the analysts out there.

Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, together in live action for the first time ever - that SHOULD be in the stratosphere of what Avengers became. But they put it in the wrong hands, and have a studio moving too impatiently.

The final box office just being OK is okay with Warner Bros? I don't think so.

Originally posted by roughrider

Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, together in live action for the first time ever - that SHOULD be in the stratosphere of what Avengers became. But they put it in the wrong hands, and have a studio moving too impatiently.

It's funny. You think you couldn't describe a studio as being too impatient yet too slow at the same time, but that is DC & Warners.

Man Of Steel gets released in June 2013, and it's supposed to be the first film in DC's Cinematic Universe. How long does it take them to get out the next follow up film? Almost three years! (2 years, 9 months)

Contrast that with the MCU. 3 years after the first Iron Man is released (May 2008) they are four films in - The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Thor, coming out in May 2011. Two months after that, they are five films in with Captain America: The Winter Soldier (July 2011.)

Batman v. Superman is what happens when you take too long to follow up, trying to cram so many plot points to get you to Justice League in a year's time, and putting all your eggs in the Zack Snyder basket rather than trying to spread out to different filmmakers.

Well done, rough rider. Disney's marvel doesn't even have access to all their characters and they are absolutely destroying at the box office.

Originally posted by roughrider
A very glass half full analysis. Trying to compare this to the early days of the MCU, when analysis were skeptical of these characters being C-listers and not well known because Marvel already had their so-called A-listers - Spider Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four - licensed out to other studios, and how could the Avengers characters be good box office? Remember that talk? That's why the critical and financial success of the first Iron Man was such a shock to the analysts out there.

Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, together in live action for the first time ever - that SHOULD be in the stratosphere of what Avengers became. But they put it in the wrong hands, and have a studio moving too impatiently.

The final box office just being OK is okay with Warner Bros? I don't think so.

Oh absolutely. There's no real comparison with what Marvel achieved with their Phase I.

And the article does acknowledge the difference between this and the first Iron Man and Thor movies because it states WB obviously did want more from this.

That said its just pointing out (as did a Forbes article I posted last week) that they are still only 2 films in with their DCEU.

Besides, who said they have to be the MCU's equal to be successful themselves. I'm sure at this point they will be happy with Justice League grossing the Billion dollar mark BvS couldn't reach. Or who knows with Comic Book movies nowadays, it may be one of their lesser known DC properties to be the first to gross 1Bill. Depends on the quality they put out. BvS has introduced audiences to the DCEU, where it will go from here is anyone's guess.

If an average BvS movie couldn't cross a billion then an average justice league won't either. This time it needs to actually be a good movie.

The hilarious thing is Darth Thor really stands by Batman v. Superman attacking dissenting opinions. Darth Thor should be really excited for the Snyder fest which might ensue.

Originally posted by roughrider
It's funny. You think you couldn't describe a studio as being too impatient yet too slow at the same time, but that is DC & Warners.

Man Of Steel gets released in June 2013, and it's supposed to be the first film in DC's Cinematic Universe. How long does it take them to get out the next follow up film? Almost three years! (2 years, 9 months)

Contrast that with the MCU. 3 years after the first Iron Man is released (May 2008) they are four films in - The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Thor, coming out in May 2011. Two months after that, they are five films in with Captain America: The Winter Soldier (July 2011.)

Batman v. Superman is what happens when you take too long to follow up, trying to cram so many plot points to get you to Justice League in a year's time, and putting all your eggs in the Zack Snyder basket rather than trying to spread out to different filmmakers.

Well they're on 2 films a year now. Suicide Squad is out in a couple of months, they've almost finished Wonder Woman. So they've been slow, but we'll see over the next 2 years what they have to give us. BvS is just the start of their confirmed slate of 4 films. (Nothing coming after JL is confirmed until they begin shooting, but I'm sure Flash and Aquaman will happen.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well they're on 2 films a year now. Suicide Squad is out in a couple of months, they've almost finished Wonder Woman. So they've been slow, but we'll see over the next 2 years what they have to give us. BvS is just the start of their confirmed slate of 4 films. (Nothing coming after JL is confirmed until they begin shooting, but I'm sure Flash and Aquaman will happen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Excuses and flat out delusions about sub par work is why you're labeled a DC fanboy.

Darth Thor can be positive if he wants. He's not like Zack M/Golgo here.

At the very least, this is not the Joel Schumacher days (still the only Batman movies I'm unable to sit through, because...ugh.)

And despite everything I've said, I'll likely be sitting there in the theatre for the next DC follow films, God Damn it all. Because I'm a fan and I'll be curious. But there's a big gulf between watching once out of curiosity, and watching something several times and then buying the movies for your collection, like I've done with the MCU.

Originally posted by Firefly218
If an average BvS movie couldn't cross a billion then an average justice league won't either. This time it needs to actually be a good movie.

Well BvS was good IMO. But agree JL would need to be better than BvS.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well BvS was good IMO. But agree JL would need to be better than BvS.

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Originally posted by roughrider
Darth Thor can be positive if he wants. He's not like Zack M/Golgo here.

At the very least, this is not the Joel Schumacher days (still the only Batman movies I'm unable to sit through, because...ugh.)

And despite everything I've said, I'll likely be sitting there in the theatre for the next DC follow films, God Damn it all. Because I'm a fan and I'll be curious. But there's a big gulf between watching once out of curiosity, and watching something several times and then buying the movies for your collection, like I've done with the MCU.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well they're on 2 films a year now. Suicide Squad is out in a couple of months, they've almost finished Wonder Woman. So they've been slow, but we'll see over the next 2 years what they have to give us. BvS is just the start of their confirmed slate of 4 films. (Nothing coming after JL is confirmed until they begin shooting, but I'm sure Flash and Aquaman will happen.

Yeah, they're pretty much matching every studio now. Unless they cancel some.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well BvS was good IMO. But agree JL would need to be better than BvS.

unless they fire Hack , Justice League being better is like Pluto becoming a planet again

Dt and others like Golgo vehemently defend his work.

I think that D.C needs to take a step back for mabey a few years and re think everything.

Before man of steel came out all I heard from kids 18-30 is....

1 Superman needs to be more buff.

2 Superman's outfit and the movie in general needs to be darker.

3 We need to see a more serious side of superman.

4 Superman needs to be less of a boy scout and get to buissness.

D.C. made all of this come true in MoS and in DoJ and now this is what we are hearing.

1 The movies is to dark.

2 There is no comedy in the movie, it's to serious.

3 Henry cavil never smiles.

4 The movie is not fun, it's overly negative and to dismal.

5 The movie felt rushed.

I think that while I thought the movie was decent It was lacking in a lot of areas. I think DoJ was a pretty good action movie but not a very good comic book movie. I think D.C. needs to communicate with it's fan base better to get a better idea of what the hell the fans want. At this point I don't think D.C. nor it's fans really know what they want to.

Originally posted by zeel
I think that D.C needs to take a step back for mabey a few years and re think everything.

Before man of steel came out all I heard from kids 18-30 is....

1 Superman needs to be more buff.

2 Superman's outfit and the movie in general needs to be darker.

3 We need to see a more serious side of superman.

4 Superman needs to be less of a boy scout and get to buissness.

D.C. made all of this come true in MoS and in DoJ and now this is what we are hearing.

1 The movies is to dark.

2 There is no comedy in the movie, it's to serious.

3 Henry cavil never smiles.

4 The movie is not fun, it's overly negative and to dismal.

5 The movie felt rushed.

I think that while I thought the movie was decent It was lacking in a lot of areas. I think DoJ was a pretty good action movie but not a very good comic book movie. I think D.C. needs to communicate with it's fan base better to get a better idea of what the hell the fans want. At this point I don't think D.C. nor it's fans really know what they want to.

It's not DC that needs to rethink anything, since they aren't making the movies. It's WB. What WB needs to do is step back and let DC take over. We've seen enough from WB to know they don't know how to handle comic book movies that well.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Marvel fans happen to be younger and more mainstream whereas DC fans are a bit older and more esoteric.

You sure about that? I've come across quite of bit of DC fans that act like snot nosed teenagers. They'll label pretty much anything Marvel does "kiddy" due to the films being a bit more lighted hearted and having comedy. This really makes me wonder how they'd feel if a Flash or Shazam got made and they had little to no humor in them. Because those guys are packed with humors. For them to get a movie where the tone is similar to TDK trilogy or BVS really wouldn't be doing justice to those characters.

Like Ive said before, lighthearted, dark and grim , Jokes or serious tone all could work . Not one of those things is better than the other. All have potential to be good.

Problem is Snyder and co. are making bad movies. regardless of tone. They are just badly made movies period.

I don't disagree. But apparently some people think if something is darker it automatically makes it better than something that's more light hearted.

Some people also claim critics were panning BVS mainly for being "dark and gritty" when that clearly wasn't the case as The Dark Knight was "dark and gritty" and we all know the praise that film got.