Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...I am not sure how one could write off Thor's "weather" attacks and other abilities as being ineffective against the Hulk when you look at the beings he's clearly been able to phuck up with them.Unless you think Hulk is > all those beings or you don't believe those showings exist.
I mean, yeah, bare fisted punches and Mjolnir strikes are one thing. But Thor's higher scope powers and abilities?
When Hulk is being ridiculous then I'll say at that particular moment Hulk>>>>Those beings. But on average of course not.
Originally posted by dmillsI'm pretty much a genius though.
Black bolt's placement in most list's is laughably low... Only Branflakes came close to being correct.
Although if I had to explain myself, it'd be that Beta is so close to Thor that he pretty much is Thor. He just lacks the showings.
Hype and Hulk are equal in raw power, Hype just lacks showings again.
Black Bolt is below Strange because I see that as quite the test for him due to Strange's versatility. Though it's not hard to see him blow him out of the water, it's not hard to see counters to his voice either. Though Bolt belongs on the Hulk tier. It's just that Strange holds that back.
And seeing as Hulk has treated Strange poorly about as much as Strange has, he belongs at their level. Which we lack the necessary showings to put Bolt on that level above him, and by that I mean a fight.
Beta has straight on beat the Christ out of Dr Strange, so there's no way I'm putting Strange above him. I can't see him accomplishing much against Hyperion either.
The other flying bricks lack the feats, or in Gladiator's case, has feats that hold him back (though he is very powerful).
And none of these guys are beating Surfer/Thor for the majority, so they belong at the top.
Also lol at seeing people put Strange with all his artifacts at the top. Yes he can bring all his artifacts to battle, but it's not like that's foreign to say Thor either. If we're playing the prep angle, then I don't see why Thor isn't at the top. The guy's got a Celestial killing axe, and can instantly become twice as strong, among others including Odin Sword, special armor, etc.
Originally posted by SupermexThat'd be God awful, and wouldn't make a lick of sense. Although Thanos doesn't seem like the immediate threat anyway. He'll probably team up with the heroes in some way.
Could Sentry be back maybe for the last stand vs Thanos in the up coming Infinity stoy arch?
But Sentry is about to fight Thor. Even though he's powered up by the Life Seed and the Death Seed. Which by all rights should have him obliterate Thor.
And it will be hilarious if Thor even stands against him, let alone wins.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Bran with the words of truth.
With surprising regularity unfortunately. But, it's needed here as it shouldn't have to come from a mod all of the time. We need at least 3-4 guys that are fairly well versed in material from the major comic universes, ready to quell bullshit on a moment's notice.
Originally posted by dmills
With surprising regularity unfortunately. But, it's needed here as it shouldn't have to come from a mod all of the time. We need at least 3-4 guys that are fairly well versed in material from the major comic universes, ready to quell bullshit on a moment's notice.
Originally posted by h1a8
Strange (classic)
Gladiator (did a lot better against Tyrant than Bill and better against P5 Cyke)
Surfer
Beta Ray Bill/Thor/Hulk(potentially higher)
Your wish is granted
Originally posted by dmills
If by that you mean infallibly fallible, then sure...Sentry is coming back?
First, have a care how you speak to the King of canon.
Boltagon is clearly number 8. I'll take on anyone who wants to argue otherwise.
The Sentry is on his way back soon. I believe this month or next.
When are we going to see your list.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm pretty much a genius though.Beta has straight on beat the Christ out of Dr Strange, so there's no way I'm putting Strange above him. I can't see him accomplishing much against Hyperion either.
Also lol at seeing people put Strange with all his artifacts at the top. Yes he can bring all his artifacts to battle, but it's not like that's foreign to say Thor either. If we're playing the prep angle, then I don't see why Thor isn't at the top. The guy's got a Celestial killing axe, and can instantly become twice as strong, among others including Odin Sword, special armor, etc.
Strange doesn't need artifacts to deal with anyone listed here. Oustide of the abomination that has been the last decade of Strange, particularly under Bendis, the character is a cler tier above the others.
There are enough feats in the Englehart run to establish this. Thor along with one of the strongest Avengers team admitted defeat to Strange before the fight even started.
Dr. Strange handles everyone here with no prep or artifacts needed.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynUm no.
Strange doesn't need artifacts to deal with anyone listed here. Oustide of the abomination that has been the last decade of Strange, particularly under Bendis, the character is a cler tier above the others.There are enough feats in the Englehart run to establish this. Thor along with one of the strongest Avengers team admitted defeat to Strange before the fight even started.
Dr. Strange handles everyone here with no prep or artifacts needed.
So what happened during this run that astounds you in such a way that Thor would have no chance? And if we choose a run where Strange is constantly KO'ed by random shit far below beings here, then why wouldn't we focus on single runs for other characters? You want to match E-Strange up with Fraction Thor and see how that turns out?
And that's stupidly out of character if accurate. But I'd like to see the scan of Thor admitting defeat.
Hulk, Namor, a weaker fake Zombie Surfer have rendered him unconscious. Quasar beat him when he (Q) had the Serpent Crown and Quasar is weak to magic.
And this:
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08rx7.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=09ad3.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11gq4.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12hw0.jpg
Strange is not clearly a tier above Thor. In fact, Thor would be a nightmare match for Strange (among others here). A 'slow' human opponent with shields who uses attacks he should be able to absorb/deflect, and who's shields can and would be broken by Thor's attacks?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Um no.
If I was talking about Current Strange I'd say it.So what happened during this run that astounds you in such a way that Thor would have no chance? And if we choose a run where Strange is constantly KO'ed by random shit far below beings here, then why wouldn't we focus on single runs for other characters? You want to match E-Strange up with Fraction Thor and see how that turns out?
And that's stupidly out of character if accurate. But I'd like to see the scan of Thor admitting defeat.Hulk, Namor, a weaker fake Zombie Surfer have rendered him unconscious. Quasar beat him when he (Q) had the Serpent Crown and Quasar is weak to magic.
And this:
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08rx7.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=09ad3.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11gq4.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12hw0.jpgStrange is not clearly a tier above Thor. In fact, Thor would be a nightmare match for Strange (among others here). A 'slow' human opponent with shields who uses attacks he should be able to absorb/deflect, and who's shields can and would be broken by Thor's attacks?
I can't 👆 this enough, but Bran's one guy on the forum whom I absolutely agree with when it comes to Dr. Strange. I mean, hell, we JUST recently had to demote him from Trans tier to High Herald, which by all rights, he never should have been placed with at the beginning.
Strange is a powerful dude, no doubt about it, but by god, a lot of the showings that people throw out to justify him being beyond guys like Surfer and Thor are either cropped conveniently, have important context missing, prepped, or just wildly misrepresented. His highs are great (just like any other high herald) and his average and low end feats are to be expected from his tier.
Honestly, Dr. Strange is the one character that needs to be "mythbusted" the most. Not because I hate the character, because I don't, but rather because there's just a lot of misrepresentation on his behalf that it warps the character to the point where some people legitimately think he's (at Classic levels) is operating most of the time on a level where he could instantly own guys like Thor and Surfer with a thought.
He's a glass cannon, arguably one of the most powerful in comics, admittedly.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Um no.
If I was talking about Current Strange I'd say it.So what happened during this run that astounds you in such a way that Thor would have no chance? And if we choose a run where Strange is constantly KO'ed by random shit far below beings here, then why wouldn't we focus on single runs for other characters? You want to match E-Strange up with Fraction Thor and see how that turns out?
And that's stupidly out of character if accurate. But I'd like to see the scan of Thor admitting defeat.Hulk, Namor, a weaker fake Zombie Surfer have rendered him unconscious. Quasar beat him when he (Q) had the Serpent Crown and Quasar is weak to magic.
And this:
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08rx7.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=09ad3.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11gq4.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12hw0.jpgStrange is not clearly a tier above Thor. In fact, Thor would be a nightmare match for Strange (among others here). A 'slow' human opponent with shields who uses attacks he should be able to absorb/deflect, and who's shields can and would be broken by Thor's attacks?
Strange has auto-shields that should hold up against any initial speedblitz. That leaves his speed out of the equation.Then he has the chance to cast spells and put up shields simultaneously.
A being that has taken on trans and even abstract beings and won can definitely handle Thor and the rest.
The scan of Thor admiting defeat is in the Dr. Strange respect thread but it seems to be broken.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynHis regular shields have failed against beings less than Thor. His auto shields have been depicted like a 100th of the time that they haven't. And if we assume they're always active, then they've failed to protect him from getting KO'ed by the Whizzer...
Strange has auto-shields that should hold up against any initial speedblitz. That leaves his speed out of the equation.Then he has the chance to cast spells and put up shields simultaneously.A being that has taken on trans and even abstract beings and won can definitely handle Thor and the rest.
The scan of Thor admiting defeat is in the Dr. Strange respect thread but it seems to be broken.
Yes, because Thor has never done the same, but without plot devices. Although IB literally toyed with Dr Strange until a hell of a lot of help intervened, and he only went down because Order and Chaos were pissed at him at the time. And Death was just being Death the second time because of the first time when Dr Strange had the help of Eternity where she couldn't claim his soul. Old Dormammu is probably his most consistent feat, and Dormammu is anything but consistent (cue most recent appearance)
What abstracts and trans has he held his own against though?
Better question, what herald level beings has he owned?
Issue then.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I can't 👆 this enough, but Bran's one guy on the forum whom I absolutely agree with when it comes to Dr. Strange. I mean, hell, we JUST recently had to demote him from Trans tier to High Herald, which by all rights, he never should have been placed with at the beginning.Strange is a powerful dude, no doubt about it, but by god, a lot of the showings that people throw out to justify him being beyond guys like Surfer and Thor are either cropped conveniently, have important context missing, prepped, or just wildly misrepresented. His highs are great (just like any other high herald) and his average and low end feats are to be expected from his tier.
Honestly, Dr. Strange is the one character that needs to be "mythbusted" the most. Not because I hate the character, because I don't, but rather because there's just a lot of misrepresentation on his behalf that it warps the character to the point where some people legitimately think he's (at Classic levels) is operating most of the time on a level where he could instantly own guys like Thor and Surfer with a thought.
He's a glass cannon, arguably one of the most powerful in comics, admittedly.
"Mythbusted", please.
Strange has routinely shown immense power and versatility in a myriad of situations to justify my ranking of him.
He has auto-shields for defense against speedblitz. He has the ability to negate almost every attack. His level of power has been trans often enough to characterize him at that level.
If you voted him down from that tier I demand a recount!
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
His regular shields have failed against beings less than Thor. His auto shields have been depicted like a 100th of the time that they haven't. And if we assume they're always active, then they've failed to protect him from getting KO'ed by the Whizzer...Yes, because Thor has never done the same, but without plot devices. Although IB literally toyed with Dr Strange until a hell of a lot of help intervened, and he only went down because Order and Chaos were pissed at him at the time. And Death was just being Death the second time because of the first time when Dr Strange had the help of Eternity where she couldn't claim his soul. Old Dormammu is probably his most consistent feat, and Dormammu is anything but consistent (cue most recent appearance)
What abstracts and trans has he held his own against though?Issue then.
Galactus and Adam Warlock with the I.G. are pure feats.
Taking Dormmamu out of the equation is a bit convenient.
