Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'll take you ignoring every question poised towards you as an inability to answer.But... no he isn't. The guy was mental blocked from using his powers by Xemnu.
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http://i43.tinypic.com/anejiq.jpgNo it doesn't. Mjolnir and Surfer can pretty much do anything.
And Mjolnir can absorb magic too, so... that.
And he is not absorbing the magic from Mjolnir, that's insane.Good for him. Thor and Surfer have greater knowledge of not having human durability and can exploit that over him.
Ignoring what questions?
You mean the ones where you pre-emptively dismiss the answers.
Dormmamu, throw it out. Death, nah, that was Death-lite. Galactus, meh, everyone beats Galactus.
Strange has shown more than enough durability to last long enough to defeat Thor and Surfer. If he can take a punch from the Juggernaut, he can take it from these two.
The nature of Dr. Strange doesn't lend to the crossover of fisticuffs and energy blasts. One in fairness has to allow for cosmic/alien/mage character of immense power going against Strange who may not become a mainstay.
Strange has mastered all forms of known magic, why wouldn't he be able to drain Mjolnir?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Takes Thor to dimension X and strips him of Mjolnir.The end.
Where is your list?
How the hell is Strange going to BFR Thor and strip him of Mjolnir?
Legit question. Consider that Strange needed the power of Earth's pantheons of skyfather instilled in an amulet just to depower King Thor and has been shaken notably by the power of Thor's immortal soul and got outclassed horribly by Loki (pre Sorcerer Supreme, tbf) and Strange as it pertains to Asgardian power doesn't look the best.
What feats of Stephen's suggest he could do shit to Mjolnir?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynThe one's that you've constantly ignored. I've asked for feats, issue numbers, what these random characters have done, etc.
Ignoring what questions?You mean the ones where you pre-emptively dismiss the answers.
Dormmamu, throw it out. Death, nah, that was Death-lite. Galactus, meh, everyone beats Galactus.
Strange has shown more than enough durability to last long enough to defeat Thor and Surfer. If he can take a punch from the Juggernaut, he can take it from these two.
The nature of Dr. Strange doesn't lend to the crossover of fisticuffs and energy blasts. One in fairness has to allow for cosmic/alien/mage character of immense power going against Strange who may not become a mainstay.
Strange has mastered all forms of known magic, why wouldn't he be able to drain Mjolnir?
I never threw out Dormammu. In fact I brought it up. The fact is that he is severely inconsistent though. And it's not like Thor hasn't kicked the shit out of Surtur before anyway.
Death couldn't even take Dr Strange because of an earlier encounter where he was protected by Eternity. Yes, Death-lite, great knowledge there.
Did you even look at the Galactus encounter (...s, since you haven't stated any context of the one you were using)? One was where the only attack Galactus actually used was called minuscule and he threw a building at Strange...
And Strange accomplished nothing but really hiding, that ended with Galactus knocking him out with images.
And the other was Galactus on the verge of death being overwhelmed by images where Dr Strange did none of the fighting to whittle him down.
He almost got his back broken by Juggernaut though with one hit...
And Strange wouldn't be dictating the battle since he'd have to hide behind a shield to last long enough to accomplish anything. Of which they can shatter.
Uh, because no one outside Odin has. Strange's superior in Loki has failed to accomplish anything against Mjolnir when almost his entire mission is to take Mjolnir.
And yes, Loki at half power has embarrassed Strange, albeit a pre SS Strange.
The only one who has ever been shown to just turn off the enchantment is Odin. Not Zeus, not Mephisto, not Strange.
But you can go ahead and prove Strange could begin to with the feats you're about to bring up.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Strange (classic)
Thor/Surfer
Hulk/Hyperion
Beta Ray Bill
Blue Marvel/Gladiator
Black Bolt
Quasar
Ronan
Super Skrull
Wonder Man
Ms. Marvel
Namor
When I considered the ranking in this thread, I felt that, by its literal definition, it isn't about "who can beat who" but on "who is the most poweful". Meaning the factor of speed and durability (due to durability being a reactive ability and speed being less of a factor in one-ofs show of power) isn't as important (they matter, but not as much) as strength/power output/versatility and the use of "averages" (where we have to consider the fact that a lot of the chars in question tend to hold back a lot) is less important than determining via "high feats" just how much power each character can potentially generate at their peak performance via quantifiable "feats".
Tho, TBH, I ranked Strange so high due to his implied power and partly due to (perhaps a misled perception on) how we was portrayed in his Respect thread. Placing Thor/Surfer equally just below him due to the two having some of the highest and most consistent displays of "high feats". Placed Hulk/Hyperion below them due to the two being peers in power to Thor/Surfer but lacks the versatility to be their equals. Placed BRB below those due to BRB being portrayed as just less powerful than Thor and lacks his versatility as well. Placed BM/Glads due to the power output they have shown nearly equal to BRB's but I just see BRB as a bit higher than them. BB was hard to place due to his "implied power" being way up there but for all the hype writers tend to give his abilities, he's really (IIRC) never shown any power output via his quantifiable "feats" that place him any higher than BM/Glads (and he doesn't have their durability). The rest should be self explanatory.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How the hell is Strange going to BFR Thor and strip him of Mjolnir?Legit question. Consider that Strange needed the power of Earth's pantheons of skyfather instilled in an amulet just to depower King Thor and has been shaken notably by the power of Thor's immortal soul and got outclassed horribly by Loki (pre Sorcerer Supreme, tbf) and Strange as it pertains to Asgardian power doesn't look the best.
What feats of Stephen's suggest he could do shit to Mjolnir?
Dr. Strange has gone into other realms and dominated the rulers of those areas, Mephisto, Dormammu, Death. Thor's ability to compensate with Strange depends on Mjolnir, while the hammer can tranverse dimensions to get back to him it will be too late.
People have simply knocked Mjolnir out of Thor's hand. Why is Thor being separated from the hammer inconceivable now.
Dr. Strange absorbed all the magic from an entire planet. That suggests he has the ability to at least stalemate Mjolnir long enough to defeat Thor.
Now, How does Thor overcome the psychic attacks from Strange?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The one's that you've constantly ignored. I've asked for feats, issue numbers, what these random characters have done, etc.
Ignored. You haven't specifically mentioned anything as to why Strange is a tier above them. All you've done is talk about his powers (of which you haven't pointed to anything from anywhere in particular).I never threw out Dormammu. In fact I brought it up. The fact is that he is severely inconsistent though. And it's not like Thor hasn't kicked the shit out of Surtur before anyway.
Death couldn't even take Dr Strange because of an earlier encounter where he was protected by Eternity. Yes, Death-lite, great knowledge there.
Did you even look at the Galactus encounter (...s, since you haven't stated any context of the one you were using)? One was where the only attack Galactus actually used was called minuscule and he threw a building at Strange...
And Strange accomplished nothing but really hiding, that ended with Galactus knocking him out with images.
And the other was Galactus on the verge of death being overwhelmed by images where Dr Strange did none of the fighting to whittle him down.He almost got his back broken by Juggernaut though with one hit...
And Strange wouldn't be dictating the battle since he'd have to hide behind a shield to last long enough to accomplish anything. Of which they can shatter.
Uh, because no one outside Odin has. Strange's superior in Loki has failed to accomplish anything against Mjolnir when almost his entire mission is to take Mjolnir.
And yes, Loki at half power has embarrassed Strange, albeit a pre SS Strange.
The only one who has ever been shown to just turn off the enchantment is Odin. Not Zeus, not Mephisto, not Strange.But you can go ahead and prove Strange could begin to with the feats you're about to bring up.
The feats are coming but I want to read the stories to prevent any openings for criticism i.e. outside amp, PIS, weakened opponents etc.
In the meantime please tell me how Thor counters Strange's psychic attacks.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Dr. Strange has gone into other realms and dominated the rulers of those areas, Mephisto, Dormammu, Death. Thor's ability to compensate with Strange depends on Mjolnir, while the hammer can tranverse dimensions to get back to him it will be too late.People have simply knocked Mjolnir out of Thor's hand. Why is Thor being separated from the hammer inconceivable now.
Dr. Strange absorbed all the magic from an entire planet. That suggests he has the ability to at least stalemate Mjolnir long enough to defeat Thor.
Now, How does Thor overcome the psychic attacks from Strange?
So has Thor. And he's done it straight up without plot device (unless you consider Mjolnir to be plot device). Considering the speed in which Mjolnir can travel and cleave through dimensions, Strange keeping it away from him indefinitely is pretty laughable.
He could temporarily disarm Thor for a moment or two. But not long enough to dominate the fight.
Scans/issue numbers for this feat? I'd like to see it for myself if you don't mind. Considering the feats Mjolnir has under its belt, such as supplying 1/4 the power needed to bolster the collapsing walls of the multiverse, I find it unlikely that Strange could "drain" Mjolnir in the midst of a fight.
Psychic attacks are actually just about the one route Stephen could take with some success. Thor's mental resistance feats are pretty spread out, so you could feasibly see him getting mind raped or thrust into a catonic state to having him resist the likes of a Phoenix empowered psionic or the likes of Glory, a skyfather being who assaulted him physically, mentally, and spiritually all at once. To that end, if Stephen doesn't drop Thor instantly, he could be physically dominated while he attempting to break Thor's mind.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So has Thor. And he's done it straight up without plot device (unless you consider Mjolnir to be plot device). Considering the speed in which Mjolnir can travel and cleave through dimensions, Strange keeping it away from him indefinitely is pretty laughable.He could temporarily disarm Thor for a moment or two. But not long enough to dominate the fight.
Scans/issue numbers for this feat? I'd like to see it for myself if you don't mind. Considering the feats Mjolnir has under its belt, such as supplying 1/4 the power needed to bolster the collapsing walls of the multiverse, I find it unlikely that Strange could "drain" Mjolnir in the midst of a fight.
Psychic attacks are actually just about the one route Stephen could take with some success. Thor's mental resistance feats are pretty spread out, so you could feasibly see him getting mind raped or thrust into a catonic state to having him resist the likes of a Phoenix empowered psionic or the likes of Glory, a skyfather being who assaulted him physically, mentally, and spiritually all at once. To that end, if Stephen doesn't drop Thor instantly, he could be physically dominated while he attempting to break Thor's mind.
The magic absorption feat is in the resoect thread.
Your fellow slanderer of Strange is present in the thread as a fact checker so the feat is legit.
Going off memory hasn't failed me with this one. The Vishanti, Strange can call them to enhance his power.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynWell, that wins me over. Strange defeats Thor I guess.
The feats are coming but I want to read the stories to prevent any openings for criticism i.e. outside amp, PIS, weakened opponents etc.In the meantime please tell me how Thor counters Strange's psychic attacks.
By hitting him first.
By having adequate defenses against so against more powerful psychics. Thor's fought Odin on the psychic plane...
By Dr Strange leaving himself open if he goes that route.
In Blood and Thunder, it took the combined the psychic might/will of Thanos, Surfer, Strange, the Infinity Watch (Including Moondragon and the Mind Gem) to just barely break free out of Thor's mind IIRC. And when Odin battled Thor on the psychic plane, Warlock made it pretty clear that they were completely beyond their mortal comprehension. Strange also shit himself when glimpsed Thor's immortal soul if that has any relevance.
Thor can be dropped by psychic attacks but he seems to be mostly vulnerable to surprise attacks trying to shut down his mind. Strange doesn't get prep here.
