Originally posted by Golgo13
When has SHAZAM shown massive TP abilities? I know Mordru has some uber feats, but that's the only mage I know that has those types of feats.
Didn't say he did. Was ASKING if he did. I know Mordu had massive TP abilities but I'm not the expert of Shazam here (tho it has been claimed that he has TP abilities in the forum searches I went through) and would like to ask ppl if he did have TP abilities.
Originally posted by Diesldude
I don't think it was intended this way. Do the Martians act as a hive? i don't think so. I think each brain amped them. Similar to how in the death of the new gods, each soul DS gained of a new god amped him exponentially, instead of just adding the power of the dead new god.
That's how I understood the wording of:
"Through the telepaths among them, they link. Through that link, they reach out to telepaths throughout the cosmos".
"The link between* minds reaches out to everything that thinks..."
* - "between"is defined as: "jointly engaging, in common action of, shared by."
This looks like a joining of the mind between all telepaths and the combined abilities managing to connect all the other minds out there.
Regardless of how it works, however, even your interpretation of it is also places it as a form of massively "shared feat". My point is that it's silly to term MM/SG as "universal-level telepaths" due to this "feat" due to its extremely shared nature.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
About as much as logging on to the internet as being a "global telecommunication feat".From the parts of the scene that are shown, it looks like the link was SG/MM (and isn't thst the Wizard Shazam there? Doesn't he have impressive TP abilities himself?) amping their abilities off everyone who joined their hands together and thru that, reaching out to the cosmos to every other telepath, the combination of every telepath in the cosmos linking together and reaching out, boosting their power and further reaching out to more and more minds and in the end establishing a shared mutual connection.
That is, unless, I'm missing context that is not provided with the scan in question?
Shazam has never showed any TP powers. You might as well argue that superman and captain marvel have TP too.
Searching and connecting telepaths across universe is a universal feat. You can nitpick it as you do for every DC character's feat or accept it as it was presented. I'm not going to play this game of nitpicking again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you initiate the internet connection and maintain with your power alone across the world.
Again:
"Through the telepaths among them, they link. Through that link, they reach out to telepaths throughout the cosmos".
"The link between minds reaches out to everything that thinks..."
The scene strongly presented thru the words used that this was a "joint feat" between the telepaths that participated in the linking. They did initiate it, but the scene points strongly to a combination of efforts between telepaths.
You can ignore this if you want, but the words are quite clear.
They initiated it, sure. But it took the joint minds of every telepath in the cosmos to maintain it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Shazam has never showed any TP powers. You might as well argue that superman and captain marvel have TP too.
Sigh. See my response to Golgo.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Searching and connecting telepaths across universe is a universal feat. You can nitpick it as you do for every DC character's feat or accept it as it was presented. I'm not going to play this game of nitpicking again.
A joint universal "feat" between every telepath in the cosmos, sure.
Also, as I don't post here often, I don't see how I "nitpick every DC character feat" especially since the last long debate I had was against Rage and his interpretation of a Thor "feat" and my debate BEFORE that was in defense of a Thor "feat" against zop.
shrug
We can throw around accusations here, but is that really what you wanna do?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Again:"Through the telepaths among them, they link. Through that link, they reach out to telepaths throughout the cosmos".
"The link between minds reaches out to everything that thinks..."
The scene strongly presented thru the words used that this was a "joint feat" between the telepaths that participated in the linking. They did initiate it, but the scene points strongly to a combination of efforts between telepaths.
You can ignore this if you want, but the words are quite clear.
They initiated it, sure. But it took the joint minds of every telepath in the cosmos to maintain it.
Sigh. See my response to Golgo.
A joint universal "feat" between every telepath in the cosmos, sure.
Also, as I don't post here often, I don't see how I "nitpick every DC character feat" especially since the last long debate I had was against Rage and his interpretation of a Thor "feat" and my debate BEFORE that was in defense of a Thor "feat" against zop.
shrug
We can throw around accusations here, but is that really what you wanna do?
Like I said, I've no desire to play this game with you this time.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Did they reached to every telepath across universe? Yes or no? Is that a universal feat? Yes or no?Like I said, I've no desire to play this game with you this time.
With the help of all the other telepaths, they did.
Everything we do in these forums are done in fun, if you don't wanna "play" you don't have to. I'll still post my opinions, tho, if you don't mind.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
With the help of all the other telepaths, they did.Everything we do in these forums are done in fun, if you don't wanna "play" you don't have to. I'll still post my opinions, tho, if you don't mind.
I don't mind that. I hate nitpicking feats though.
Originally posted by janus77
Haha, Abhigale's lies backing up the one shot Fernus has at giving Surfer a fight, crumble the second scans are posted? How surprising.
Originally posted by abhilegend
There was only one another telepath who was helping him at that moment to reach telepaths across the whole universe.
They "reached out", (Defined as: attempt to communicate to) meaning their purpose was to communicate to the telepaths across the cosmos and that they were initiating the attempt at communication.
They succeeded, but this was due to the "The link between minds". At no time was it ever said that they achieved nor maintained the entire universal link themselves. It is, however, indirectly implied that it is a "linking of the minds" that allowed them to connect with every telepath in the cosmos.
Again, it's similar to my internet analogy. A network of linked minds managing to connect to each other.
Originally posted by abhilegend
hate nitpicking feats though.
It's kinda my thing, tho. I'm not a "character repping expert", I prefer going thru a scan or two and debate the correct interpretation of it (I even suggested to the mods to create a forum just for "feat interpretation" debates).
I don't really consider it as "nitpicking" (defined as: minute and usually unjustified criticism), though. As I think "feats" and claims need to be scrutinized for accuracy all the time. And I only really pick interpretations I greatly disagree with.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Shut up nerds.
I don't think I qualify as a pure "nerd" (defined as: A foolish or contemptible person who lacks social skills or is boringly studious: or An intelligent, single-minded expert in a particular technical discipline or profession.) as I do have social skills and that I am not single-minded in my expertise. More like a "geek" (specifically the definition of: A person with an eccentric devotion to a particular interest).
uhuh
Originally posted by janus77
Haha, Abhigale's lies backing up the one shot Fernus has at giving Surfer a fight, crumble the second scans are posted? How surprising.
That's because he WANTS Fernus to be the winner from the beginning. He has structured his argument around that goal, fanboy style. The only chance that Fernus has is to defeat Surfer with PSI, because physically, he could never get the job done. Multiple examples of Surfer showed high level PSI resistence have been presented and he has attempted to discredit each and every one of them (although I think he ran out of gas after the posts of the Messiah Cable fight were posted). It's become hard to watch.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
They "reached out", I don't really consider it as "nitpicking" (defined as: minute and usually unjustified criticism), though. As I think "feats" and claims need to be scrutinized for accuracy all the time. And I only really pick interpretations I greatly disagree with.
It's not nit picking as the wording of the scan is evident and leaves no ambiguity over what happened or what was intended to happen in that particular instance. Characterizing it as a "universal feat" either indicates an apparent contextual comprehension deficiency or conversely shows deliberate feat aggrandisement in an overt attempt to mislead.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
They "reached out", (Defined as: attempt to communicate to) meaning their purpose was to communicate to the telepaths across the cosmos and that they were initiating the attempt at communication.They succeeded, but this was due to the "The link between minds". At no time was it ever said that they achieved nor maintained the entire universal link themselves. It is, however, indirectly implied that it is a "linking of the minds" that allowed them to connect with every telepath in the cosmos.
Again, it's similar to my internet analogy. A network of linked minds managing to connect to each other.
It's kinda my thing, tho. I'm not a "character repping expert", I prefer going thru a scan or two and debate the correct interpretation of it (I even suggested to the mods to create a forum just for "feat interpretation" debates).
I don't really consider it as "nitpicking" (defined as: minute and usually unjustified criticism), though. As I think "feats" and claims need to be scrutinized for accuracy all the time. And I only really pick interpretations I greatly disagree with.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Because I'm not an idiot. Neither are you, you're just desperate.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's because he WANTS Fernus to be the winner from the beginning. He has structured his argument around that goal, fanboy style. The only chance that Fernus has is to defeat Surfer with PSI, because physically, he could never get the job done. Multiple examples of Surfer showed high level PSI resistence have been presented and he has attempted to discredit each and every one of them (although I think he ran out of gas after the posts of the Messiah Cable fight were posted). It's become hard to watch.