Originally posted by abhilegend
They reached across cosmos and that's universal in scope. I don't care what would you nitpick next.
They didn't "reach across the cosmos" they "reached out throughout the cosmos". Different words that imply completely different things.
Kinda like when CETI "reaches out" and tries to communicate with intelligent extraterrestrial life across the cosmos doesn't mean they managed to reach them all.
Again, the end result is that they helped start a "link between minds" that "reaches out to everything that thinks...".
This is ignoring the fact that everyone else who held hands may have assisted in the "feat" as well. Heck, interpretted literally through the sequence of narratives:
"Though the telepaths among them they link."
"Through that link they reach out to telepaths across the cosmos."
Notice that it is the LINK (which is a combination of all their efforts but initiated by the telepaths) and not just the telepaths themselves that "reached out throughout the cosmos"?
This is an extremely "shared feat". Plain and simple. No matter how you look at it. Niether SG or MM are universal telepaths (and even at your interpretation of the "feat", they aren't) and I don't think any DC writer in his right mind would try to portray them that way.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
They didn't "reach across the cosmos" they "reached out throughout the cosmos". Different words that imply completely different things.Kinda like when CETI "reaches out" and tries to communicate with intelligent extraterrestrial life across the cosmos doesn't mean they managed to reach them all.
Again, the end result is that they helped start a "link between minds" that "reaches out to everything that thinks...".
This is ignoring the fact that everyone else who held hands may have assisted in the "feat" as well. Heck, interpretted literally through the sequence of narratives:
"Though the telepaths among them they link."
"Through that link they reach out to telepaths across the cosmos."
Notice that it is the LINK (which is a combination of all their efforts but initiated by the telepaths) and not just the telepaths themselves that "reached out throughout the cosmos"?
This is an extremely "shared feat". Plain and simple. No matter how you look at it. Niether SG or MM are universal telepaths (and even at your interpretation of the "feat", they aren't) and I don't think any DC writer in his right mind would try to portray them that way.
SG isn't a universal level telepath? What is this then
I would like to see your twist on the words on this too.
Originally posted by janus77
Jesus Abhi, you really are that stupid aren't you?
Originally posted by janus77
but wait...
superman's like ... really fast too and and shoots eye beams!truly, Surfer's too fast and powerful for half the JLA to remain living after the first 1/100000th of a nano-second.
GLs are going to achieve sod-all against Surfer, he absorbed the blummin' Oan central battery and was but a little dazed by that vast amount of energy. and he's been upgraded since then, as well as given to greater use of his powers.
what's Flash going to do really? out-run surfer? first time Surfer tags him, and he will, end of fight for Flash.
CA is how Surfer knows all he needs know about ALL the JLA, what their energies are, their cellular structure, their weaknesses etc etc ...
if Surfer wanted to get creative, he could simply take Thor into the microverse and there give Thor the Power Cosmic too, as well as resynthesis the Odin Force and add it to his own powers, return to the normal universe (without a second having passed) and obliterate the JLA with 1000000x C hammer strikes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Your play on words is amusing. Did they reached telepaths across the universe or not? Is that a universal level feat or not?
It's not a play on words, it's a literal translation of the "feat" based on ALL the words used by the author. What makes you think your interpretation is better than mine when all you used are certain keywords in the narratives while ignoring whatever words and context didn't fit the interpretation you wanted?
Originally posted by abhilegend
SG isn't a universal level telepath? What is this thenI would like to see your twist on the words on this too.
That's her saying that she's scanning the cosmos and not finding anyone. Impressive scanning "feat" but not anything Surfer is unable to do:
http://s22.photobucket.com/user/surfistaprateado/media/InfinityGauntlet1p35.jpg.html
http://s22.photobucket.com/user/surfistaprateado/media/InfinityGauntlet1p36.jpg.html
Only difference is that Surfer used his cosmic powers and SG used her telepathic powers. But unless you're arguing that sensing = application of all other powers of equal scale, which means you'll have to accept Surfer power cosmic being "universal in scale" as well, then we'll have to chalk this to impressive senses on each character yes?
Edit. Heck, Surfer's "feat" is actually far more impressive as he is sensing it as it happens and can feel what they feel even when he's trying not to.
The funny thing is, that if I were to accept that "SG is a universal TP" based on her scanning range, this would actually really hurt your argument as this would mean that MM wasn't even needed to achieve a "shared universal feat".
😖hifty:
So yeah.... Lol. 😛
Edit. The whole thumbnail thing really not working for me...
Edit2. Also, seeing as her whole comment was her making a character statement, are we saying character statement = "feats" now? Just to clarify for future reference.
Originally posted by NibedicusNo, its just a play with words. Because I actually know what that scan means without nitpicking about it.
It's not a play on words, it's a literal translation of the "feat" based on ALL the words used by the author. What makes you think your interpretation is better than mine when all you used are certain keywords in the narratives while ignoring whatever words and context didn't fit the interpretation you wanted?
That's her saying that she's scanning the cosmos and not finding anyone. Impressive scanning "feat" but not anything Surfer is unable to do:Nice strawman bro. How does that means anything about surfer resisting a TP attack? BTW surfer's cosmic awareness has always been near that level. how does that mean his power is universal?http://s22.photobucket.com/user/surfistaprateado/media/InfinityGauntlet1p35.jpg.html
http://s22.photobucket.com/user/surfistaprateado/media/InfinityGauntlet1p36.jpg.htmlOnly difference is that Surfer used his cosmic powers and SG used her telepathic powers. But unless you're arguing that sensing = application of all other powers of equal scale, which means you'll have to accept Surfer power cosmic being "universal in scale" as well, then we'll have to chalk this to impressive senses on each character yes?
Edit. Heck, Surfer's "feat" is actually far more impressive as he is sensing it as it happens and can feel what they feel even when he's trying not to.So did the rest of the universe which Thanos killed.
The funny thing is, that if I were to accept that "SG is a universal TP" based on her scanning range, this would actually really hurt your argument as this would mean that MM wasn't even needed to achieve a "shared universal feat".Cool story bro.
Edit. The whole thumbnail thing really not working for me...In the case of telepaths, often the statement is enough like "I just scanned the whole world". Once again, spider-man broke free of Goddess' mental control too. Does that mean nobody below Goddess level can mind-control him now? Or we can chalk it up as an extremely high outlier in both surfer and Spidey's case?
Edit2. Also, seeing as her whole comment was her making a character statement, are we saying character statement = "feats" now? Just to clarify for future reference.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, its just a play with words. Because I actually know what that scan means without nitpicking about it.
Sorry, but what you call "nitpicking", I call "scrutinizing a scan and all its context to get the correct interpretation of it".
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice strawman bro. How does that means anything about surfer resisting a TP attack?
The fact that I made this argument about how "sensing feats" do not translate to other application of abilities in response to your claim that Saturn Girl's sensory "feat" makes her TP universal in level and NOT in any way claimed any of the things you said above?
It's ironic that you would use the word "strawman" tho when you're the one actually committing a strawman fallacy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
BTW surfer's cosmic awareness has always been near that level. how does that mean his power is universal?
Edit. It doesn't. The same way that sensing the cosmos thru telepathy does not mean her TP isuniversal as well.
Which only proves my argument that: sensing "feats" do not translate to "other applications of her powers".
Originally posted by abhilegend
So did the rest of the universe which Thanos killed.
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Being as that it was happening TO them (and not the Surfer) that is unsurprising that they felt it happening to them.
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How you think this is in any way an adequate argument to my point is beyond me, tho.
hmm
Originally posted by abhilegend
Cool story bro.
Inorite?
It's so cool cuz it's true.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In the case of telepaths, often the statement is enough like "I just scanned the whole world".
And what makes them any better than strength characters saying they "lifted infinity" or speed characters saying they "outran radio waves"?
Sorry, but narratives and on panel "feats" still trump character statements any day.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Once again, spider-man broke free of Goddess' mental control too. Does that mean nobody below Goddess level can mind-control him now? Or we can chalk it up as an extremely high outlier in both surfer and Spidey's case?
The fact that I didn't make the argument above kinda confuses me on why you would even bring it up in reply to my argumentation that made zero mention of such.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, its just a play with words. Because I actually know what that scan means without nitpicking about it.
This is beyond obnoxious. So you admit that you think your interpretation is better than anyone else's and we should collectively bow down? Come out of your pocket universe.
His leaving out one very big context in that "spiderman breaking goddess control". The part were pip teleported inside the cosmic egg and wrestle the goddess control over the egg and. Seemingly killed her. Pretty much suggest weaked her mental. Control/hold to every one, the same time spider started to break her hold on him. Ahbi. Bru! Gotta stop those lies.
Ill respond to. Your other post later tonight. Blackberrys a pain to write.
Originally posted by Ambient
His leaving out one very big context in that "spiderman breaking goddess control". The part were pip teleported inside the cosmic egg and wrestle the goddess control over the egg and. Seemingly killed her. Pretty much suggest weaked her mental. Control/hold to every one, the same time spider started to break her hold on him. Ahbi. Bru! Gotta stop those lies.Ill respond to. Your other post later tonight. Blackberrys a pain to write.
Go back to what he has said over and over in the thread about not "nitpicking feats." 😆 Just squint your eyes and imagine....yeah....just like that. See, everything is fine now. It's the Superman defense at work.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Once again, spider-man broke free of Goddess' mental control too. Does that mean nobody below Goddess level can mind-control him now? Or we can chalk it up as an extremely high outlier in both surfer and Spidey's case?
At this point I have to ask, did you not fully understand the scenario or are you being intentional misleading?
Originally posted by Ambient
His leaving out one very big context in that "spiderman breaking goddess control". The part were pip teleported inside the cosmic egg and wrestle the goddess control over the egg and. Seemingly killed her. Pretty much suggest weaked her mental. Control/hold to every one, the same time spider started to break her hold on him. Ahbi. Bru! Gotta stop those lies.Ill respond to. Your other post later tonight. Blackberrys a pain to write.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Sorry, but what you call "nitpicking", I call "scrutinizing a scan and all its context to get the correct interpretation of it".The fact that I made this argument about how "sensing feats" do not translate to other application of abilities in response to your claim that Saturn Girl's sensory "feat" makes her TP universal in level and NOT in any way claimed any of the things you said above?
It's ironic that you would use the word "strawman" tho when you're the one actually committing a strawman fallacy.
Edit. It doesn't. The same way that sensing the cosmos thru telepathy does not mean her TP isuniversal as well.
Which only proves my argument that: sensing "feats" do not translate to "other applications of her powers".
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Being as that it was happening TO them (and not the Surfer) that is unsurprising that they felt it happening to them.
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How you think this is in any way an adequate argument to my point is beyond me, tho.
hmm
Inorite?
It's so cool cuz it's true.
And what makes them any better than strength characters saying they "lifted infinity" or speed characters saying they "outran radio waves"?
Sorry, but narratives and on panel "feats" still trump character statements any day.
The fact that I didn't make the argument above kinda confuses me on why you would even bring it up in reply to my argumentation that made zero mention of such.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
This is beyond obnoxious. So you admit that you think your interpretation is better than anyone else's and we should collectively bow down? Come out of your pocket universe.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Go back to what he has said over and over in the thread about not "nitpicking feats." 😆 Just squint your eyes and imagine....yeah....just like that. See, everything is fine now. It's the Superman defense at work.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
At this point I have to ask, did you not fully understand the scenario or are you being intentional misleading?
At this point its beyond doubt who you are.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That happened before the Goddess was turned to salt IIRC. That's why Moondragon was still in her control when she fought spider.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Rich Gang's "Tapout" is playing in the background....
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Originally posted by Ambient
U wrong there ahbi its between the time. Silouett, moondragon those. Who were really true/believe in her cause remained in her thrall even when she was seem dead.
I think your BB is raping your posts, man. 😛
