Nekron makes his way to Marvel Universe and causes havock.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Less retarded? You know what's retarded? A grown man such as yourself getting upset at someone you don't know due to a debate of the validity of fictional comic book characters. If you can't keep you emotions in check, you should stop posting until you can compose yourself.

There are MULTIPLE on panel discussions, many of which are cosmic abstracts, that confirm the Phoenix's purpose and power. I'd say characters like Galactus, Death, The Living Tribunal, the Watcher, etc. carry a little more weight that an idiot like Cain Marko. Do you see the difference?

Oh, and I'm just a 12y/o boy, btw. Get this grown man crap outta here. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
But why would he create a sock? Was he banned?

He's just talking random nonsense. I don't have any relationship with the poster he is mentioning.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But why would he create a sock? Was he banned?

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool, so you're basing the PF's entire powerset solely on statements made about it-- statements that have been overtly contradicted by the showings/feats of other characters over the years? Awesome. Glad to know that you can't prove any of the Phoenix-related BS that spews from your mouth with anything aside from hyperbolic statements. 👆

Oh, and I'm just a 12y/o boy, btw. Get this grown man crap outta here. 👆

12? Probably in some ways.

I already provided proof, the problem is that you won't accept it. Cosmics don't make random hyperbolic statement/lies about a fundamental universal force and Marvel editors have no stake in presenting them to us the readers. You won't speak to this point because there is nothing you can say to dispute it without looking like a lunatic. Yeah, this stuff really did happen, it's cannon. Avert your eyes if you have to.

Originally posted by Galan007
Someone's gotta be on his side. 😉

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
But what if the alternate reality and the current reality regard her in the same manner? 😘

Like I said, you a desperate man at this time, largely due to your appauling display of cheerleading in the Fernus vs Surfer post. All I am saying is that the Phoenix is linked to life and rebirth and should be a great match up for a tether-needy Nekron.

Her feats are lacking to be considered so.

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh, and I'm just a 12y/o boy, btw. Get this grown man crap outta here. 👆

You big meanie.👆

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet

What does Reed refer to her as in the caption?

If he doesn't fully understand it, I doubt you do.

The Phoenix Force was born AFTER Eternity/Infinity (Space-Time)

Can we get high now? stoned

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I already provided proof, the problem is that you won't accept it.

Sise-Neg did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355459/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355460/s2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355461/s3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355462/s4.jpg.html

The Infinity Being did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355458/ib.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355474/ib2.jpg.html

The Alien Entity did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355447/ae1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355448/ae2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355449/ae3.jpg.html

Thanos /w/ THOTI did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355463/t1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355464/t2.jpg.html

Genis/Entropy did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355450/e1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355451/e2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355455/e3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355456/e4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355457/e5.jpg.html

etc.

^^Those are called "showings/feats"-- and they trump any/all hyperbolic statements made about the PF. Simple.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
12? Probably in some ways.

I already provided proof, the problem is that you won't accept it. [b]Cosmics don't make random hyperbolic statement/lies about a fundamental universal force and Marvel editors have no stake in presenting them to us the readers. You won't speak to this point because there is nothing you can say to dispute it without looking like a lunatic. Yeah, this stuff really did happen, it's cannon. Avert your eyes if you have to. [/B]

Not true, comics makes them all the time.

Superman is said multiple times to be the most powerful in the World, Universe, Multiverse. That's a load of crap.

I know multiple characters that can kill him without trying.

Originally posted by SquallX
Not true, comics makes them all the time.

Superman is said multiple times to be the most powerful in the World, Universe, Multiverse. That's a load of crap.

I know multiple characters that can kill him without trying.

I understand that, but the posts I scanned are NOT hyperbole.

Hyperbole- Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

The statements by the COSMICS are meant to be taken literally based on the tone and seriousness of the conversation, the fact that they are cosmics and common sense. This has nothing to do with Superman being called the most powerful or Hulk saying he is the strongest, or better yet, Superman saying the Martain Manhunter is more powerful than he is. 😕 The cosmics are not sitting around making false statements not meant to be taken literally.

So please, you can make the argument that there is a gap between the PF feats and her stated power/purpose/description and I would agree to much of that. But that doesn't make the statements directly from cosmics "hyperbole."

Originally posted by Galan007
Except that your so-called "proof"(ie. statements) have been outright contradicted by characters whom have actually sparked creation on panel.

Sise-Neg did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355459/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355460/s2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355461/s3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355462/s4.jpg.html

The Infinity Being did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355458/ib.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355474/ib2.jpg.html

The Alien Entity did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355447/ae1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355448/ae2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355449/ae3.jpg.html

Thanos /w/ THOTI did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355463/t1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355464/t2.jpg.html

Genis/Entropy did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355450/e1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355451/e2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355455/e3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355456/e4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355457/e5.jpg.html

etc.

^^Those are called "showings/feats"-- and they trump any/all hyperbolic statements made about the PF. Simple.

You aren't bringing anything new to the table at this point. Also, you still don't understand the definition of the word "hyperbole." I gave you a possible explanation as to why the Phoenix wasn't included in those scenarios. If you don't accept it, then maybe you can get and explanation from Marvel. The contradiction or explanation is within Marvel, not between us. I will add that what Thanos did in the End was of a higher order, and it's stated that the Infinity being may be God.

Originally posted by Galan007
Except that your so-called "proof"(ie. statements) have been
outright contradicted by characters whom have actually sparked
creation on panel.

Sise-Neg did it:

The Infinity Being did it:

The Alien Entity did it:

Thanos /w/ THOTI did it:

Genis/Entropy did it:

etc.

^^Those are called "showings/feats"-- and they trump
any/all hyperbolic statements made about the PF. Simple.

=====================================

Anyway ...
I forgot,
I have On Panel evidence of the Phoenix Force being born from the Big Bang,
just like everything else!

The Phoenix Force remembering being born after the Big Bang:

----------------------------------------------

Her Official Handbook bioS state:

Phoenix was: "re-born from the Fires of the Big Bang"

The PF died with everything else, and was then Re-Born in the Big Bang,
just like everything else.

On Panel, in that First scan above ... that's exactly what's depicted:

"This is how I came into being"

(exactly, by being born from the Big Bang, like everything else)

----------------------------------------------

Again: (all the Concepts are re-born from the Big Bang)

----------------------------------------------

And yes, again, yet another Official Handbook states:

(Phoenix Force's own official bio that is)

"Reborn from the fires of the Big Bang" ...

----------------------------------------------

Yes, yes, so was Galactus, who never really died like Phoenix,
and everything else in the Marvel Universe was created from the same fires,
big deal,
and the Alien Entity created and held the "Spark" that set all that off,
in his hand, and proceeded to re-created all of it.

----------------------------------------------

We also know the PF was re-born,
so it was dead when the previous universe collapsed.

In fact, via most updated Canon,
the Phoenix Force came at some point after Space-Time (Eternity/Infinity)
It always did before this as well, as proven above, the handbook clarified this, but now it's explicit.

This is from the last issues of Avengers vs X-Men:

=============================

There ya go ... swank

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Insults and false outrage are fine, doesn't change a thing, though. The storylines were largely separated. When one event was going on in an Avengers title, it apparently was not going in the X-Men "universe" and vice versa. Of course this was not consistently the case, but it happened often enough. Everyone knows that.

I brought this fact up as an explanation as to why Phoenix didn't appear in the instances of the universe being destroyed/remade. You can accept or reject it, but it doesn't negate multiple on panel descriptions/description/defintitions of the Phoenix Force. What's next, you denying it's existence all together? I guess non of the following dicussions took place:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1086970-xmenforever3p06and077bo.jpg

"You scared the universal forces most of all"- Marvel Death

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1086977-636041_excalibur02520hz1_super.jpg

"...the Phoenix can obliterate and entire Cosmos"- Galactus

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/56904/1086983-uxm137pg018bb.jpg

"...a primal force second only to that of the creator."- The Watcher

You can't discount any of this, it's cannon. Please observe the rules of discussion.

The X-Men and the Avengers have been part of the same shared universe for decades, long before AvX happened. Anyone who even has a cursory knowledge of comic books(even if they don't actually read comics and get all their info from wikis) knows that the premise of AvX is in itself a highly unoriginal concept. Not to mention that the Phoenix Force being referenced in other non-X titles as well(some of them directly involving the cosmic hierarchy like a Kubik/Kosmos comic) further pushes your retarded point into the endless bog within which it is already neck deep.

Lol, what exactly are you trying to prove, posting oversized versions of scans that have been debunked on the Comicbook Forums before?

Originally posted by Galan007
Except that your so-called "proof"(ie. statements) have been outright contradicted by characters whom have actually sparked creation on panel.

Sise-Neg did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355459/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355460/s2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355461/s3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355462/s4.jpg.html

The Infinity Being did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355458/ib.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355474/ib2.jpg.html

The Alien Entity did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355447/ae1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355448/ae2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355449/ae3.jpg.html

Thanos /w/ THOTI did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355463/t1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355464/t2.jpg.html

Genis/Entropy did it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355450/e1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355451/e2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355455/e3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355456/e4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16355457/e5.jpg.html

etc.

^^Those are called "showings/feats"-- and they trump any/all hyperbolic statements made about the PF. Simple.

Originally posted by Mr Master

The fact that Blue Area Vet actually thinks that the X-Men existed in a separate universe of their own prior to AvX is grounds enough to dismiss whatever he writes in this thread as a bunch of incoherent simian babblement.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The same neanderthalish nonsense being repeated even after it has been disproven. I want to desperately believe that you're intentionally trolling at this point, because nobody, not even a newbie like you, can have so much fungal congestion in their hypothalamus to actually believe this idiocy that you're spewing.

The X-Men and the Avengers have been part of the same shared universe for decades, long before AvX happened. Anyone who even has a cursory knowledge of comic books(even if they don't actually read comics and get all their info from wikis) knows that the premise of AvX is in itself a highly unoriginal concept. Not to mention that the Phoenix Force being referenced in other non-X titles as well(some of them directly involving the cosmic hierarchy like a Kubik/Kosmos comic) further pushes your retarded point into the endless bog within which it is already neck deep.

Lol, what exactly are you trying to prove, posting oversized versions of scans that have been debunked on the Comicbook Forums before?

Whoooo, big words! You must be a genius. Is that what you wanted to here?

First off, I have read comics books for nearly three decades and I collect to this day. I could give a crap about this battle board stuff. I do it for fun and it usually is until I run into people like you who use the board to get their rocks off in life. You haven't disproven a thing, contrary to your own ego. Only a fool would argue against what has appeared in print as being one giant falsehood.

You claim that the fact that Phoenix wasn't present at the remaking of the universe by god-like forces in unnatural ways, therefore, everything regarding the Phoenix's nature is a lie. Of course you fail to see the idiocy of that thought. For that to be true, you would have to accept that Marvel did this purposely to fool the reader or to created controversies on message board. I'd look for a more plausible explanation. One I have already stated. To that I would add that it's possible the Phoenix only births itself when it dies of it's own according in destryong the universe. One thing that has NOT happened in Marvel is a depiction of the Phoenix itself destroying the universe. I hope this helps you out or give you some food for thought. Try not to be bitter and try learning what the term troll means along with the definition of hyperbole. Have a good weekend.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
No need to bother reposting the half-decade old arguments that put the Phoenix myth in its grave.

The fact that Blue Area Vet actually thinks that the X-Men existed in a separate universe of their own prior to AvX is grounds enough to dismiss whatever he writes in this thread as a bunch of incoherent simian babblement.

I didn't actually think that and you probaby need to learn how to better comprehend. Do not misrepresent my thoughts and statements. I was very clear in stating that often the X-Men storylines seemed to stand alone.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Have a good weekend.

Concession accepted btw. 🙂

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The only part of this post that matters.

Concession accepted btw. 🙂

I see you edited out the scary parts. Smart man.