Originally posted by operator616
galan.......if i understood you correct you want scans for the wiki he quoted, correct? if so, it's been mentioned multiple times......uncanny x men #473, phoenix is the spark that ignites creation, and the fire that consumes it:
http://i.imgur.com/wNXYCTS.jpg
again, in x men book 3 #1:
http://i.imgur.com/2Srgz1Z.jpg
something similar is stated in x men true friends #3:
http://i.imgur.com/z5AZMBB.jpg
in any case, this is not true though, phoenix has many contradictions, and too much hyperbole, it was even once called as being second only to the creator (TOAA), in uncanny uncanny x men #137:
http://i.imgur.com/U8Wrj4a.jpg
and to add to the list of feats that's mentioned in this thread for nekron : he also gave krona the power to unmake the universe in tales of the green lantern.
nekron wins this, imo, based on feats, and the fact that phoenix has too many low showings to the point that it's laughable.
Thanks for providing "proof" to his liking, although that was for his satisfaction only. I have no problem with anyone's opinion on the outcome, and I didn't even state an opinion on the outcome myself, although at this time I would remind everyone that the Phoenix Force is immortal. But I hate when guys play Babe in the Woods when things aren't going their way. "Oh, um, yeah, you are going to have to provide scans if you want me to believe that the sky is blue" crap.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet👆
Thanks for providing "proof" to his liking, although that was for his satisfaction only. I have no problem with anyone's opinion on the outcome, and I didn't even state an opinion on the outcome myself, although at this time I would remind everyone that the Phoenix Force is immortal. But I hate when guys play Babe in the Woods when things aren't going their way. "Oh, um, yeah, you are going to have to provide scans if you want me to believe that the sky is blue" crap.
Originally posted by operator616
galan.......if i understood you correct you want scans for the wiki he quoted, correct? if so, it's been mentioned multiple times......uncanny x men #473, phoenix is the spark that ignites creation, and the fire that consumes it:
http://i.imgur.com/wNXYCTS.jpg
again, in x men book 3 #1:
http://i.imgur.com/2Srgz1Z.jpg
something similar is stated in x men true friends #3:
http://i.imgur.com/z5AZMBB.jpg
in any case, this is not true though, phoenix has many contradictions, and too much hyperbole, it was even once called as being second only to the creator (TOAA), in uncanny uncanny x men #137:
http://i.imgur.com/U8Wrj4a.jpg
and to add to the list of feats that's mentioned in this thread for nekron : he also gave krona the power to unmake the universe in tales of the green lantern.
nekron wins this, imo, based on feats, and the fact that phoenix has too many low showings to the point that it's laughable.
Originally posted by zopzop
Operator, thanks for those scans but how many of them are canon? And there seems to have been a retcon. See the Alien Entity/Reed scan Mr. M posted and Children's Crusade. Alien Entity created life in the MU (or Seis-neg or Entropy/Genis) and the "Lifeforce" that bonded with Wanda and then later Dr. Doom wasn't the PF but something else entirely.
all of them are canon as far as i know, and there are several other issues that state the same thing
im with you on this, i was just proving that it was stated on panel, but there are contradictions to this....... Im aware about the children's crusade and the alien entity, and now that you mention it, 8 issues prior to the alien entity affair, reed used the phoenix force and the big bang interchangeably, Fantastic four #522:
http://i.imgur.com/v7aLma7.jpg
i have evidence that contradict this however, ill probably be posting it later.
[QUOTE=14402224]Originally posted by operator616
There are tons of contradictions with Phoenix Force, but this guy was demanding on panel language and thanks to you, that's what he got. Now he is trying his best to discredit the proof he asked for. There are TONS of contradictions with other characters as well <cough, Superman> but <cough, Wonderwoman> we don't go totally discrediting the character.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
[QUOTE=14402224]Originally posted by operator616
There are tons of contradictions with Phoenix Force, but this guy was demanding on panel language and thanks to you, that's what he got. Now he is trying his best to discredit the proof he asked for. There are TONS of contradictions with other characters as well <cough, Superman> but <cough, Wonderwoman> we don't go totally discrediting the character.
According to Operator they are canon but they could be retconned. Each time the MU was destroyed/remade the PF was absent and I gave examples :
1) Seis-Neg
2) Entropy/Genis
3) Reed/Alien Entity
So either the PF was asleep at the wheel or it's status has been retconned.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are basing it off of an amped version. Read his words again and quit denying on panel proof.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The scans reaffirm the wiki entry. Nice. Proof.
As I said before, unless it's GalacticStorm who has hacked your account, you have no business arguing for the Phoenix.
Nekron wins 10/10. Quan loses 12/10.
Goodness ... no more "statements" ... Phoenix yuck!
uhh, Hyperbole actually, we've seen so many times before.
Also, I'm almost certain Galan wasn't to begin with, or is interested
in hyperbolic stated garbage concerning Phoenix. (he's seen it all
before)
What he wants to see, is Phoenix actually manifesting as the
Big Bang,
or 'Sparking' the Big Bang?
But, since that's impossible,
how about Phoenix creating a single universe from scratch?
No, well, how about creating a Galaxy?
No, darn, ahh, below that I could care less.
I already proved On Panel the true Big Bangs across the years, and
the Phoenix Force never had anything to do with any account, not
even from a distance, not even mentioned, or any connection
alluded. But empty hyperbolic statements have been regurgitated
just as long as I proven the opposite with actual depictions
happening, not blah, blah, instead.
Good night yall, Mr M
Originally posted by zopzop
Well we got to make sure that a) nothing's been retconned and b) the scans are canon.According to Operator they are canon but they could be retconned. Each time the MU was destroyed/remade the PF was absent and I gave examples :
1) Seis-Neg
2) Entropy/Genis
3) Reed/Alien EntitySo either the PF was asleep at the wheel or it's status has been retconned.
What does that have to do with what the nature of the Phoenix Force is? This has gone on way too long.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Goodness ... no more "statements" ... Phoenix yuck!
uhh, Hyperbole actually, we've seen so many times before.Also, I'm almost certain Galan wasn't to begin with, or is interested
in hyperbolic stated garbage concerning Phoenix. (he's seen it all
before)
What he wants to see, is Phoenix actually manifesting as the
Big Bang,
or 'Sparking' the Big Bang?
But, since that's impossible,
how about Phoenix creating a single universe from scratch?
No, well, how about creating a Galaxy?
No, darn, ahh, below that I could care less.I already proved On Panel the true Big Bangs across the years, and
the Phoenix Force never had anything to do with any account, not
even from a distance, not even mentioned, or any connection
alluded. But empty hyperbolic statements have been regurgitated
just as long as I proven the opposite with actual depictions
happening, not blah, blah, instead.Good night yall, Mr M
Sorry, but the nature of what the Phoenix Force is is stated in comics, whether you term them "Empty hyperbolic statements" or not. Your problem is with the writers, and that's fine I guess. But don't act like the entity can be discounted when they just did a major Marvel Universe wide event around it.
Originally posted by zopzop
The fact that's it's never done what it's supposed function is and I gave you examples of the MU being destroyed/recreated with the PF nowhere to be seen.
My response is as follows: So what?
That's inconsistency in writing and it's fairly common. I am sure when the writer of Insane Genis-vell didn't want to make the comic about the Phoenix Force.
And by the way, it was said to have been linked/born from the one and only big bang. Please disprove that.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerIt was already provided.
I already read the OP. You didn't provide any proof.Wrong. The scans merely present hyperbole. Every Phoenix wankfest has been debunked on the Comic Book Forums before.
As I said before, unless it's GalacticStorm who has hacked your account, you have no business arguing for the Phoenix.
Nekron wins 10/10. Quan loses 12/10.
No, the scans state it plainly. You want to ignore everything p.
Phoenix wins as it is just what the doctor ordered. Amped Nekron loses as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was already provided.No, the scans state it plainly. You want to ignore everything p.
Phoenix wins as it is just what the doctor ordered. Amped Nekron loses as well.
Phoenix is not Thanos. Stop failing at trying to wank the sh1t out of it.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
My response is as follows: So what?That's inconsistency in writing and it's fairly common. I am sure when the writer of Insane Genis-vell didn't want to make the comic about the Phoenix Force.
And by the way, it was said to have been linked/born from the one and only big bang. Please disprove that.
All on-panel, amounting to considerably more substance than a few random instances of narrative and character based hyperbole.
