Originally posted by abhilegend
He threeshotted Superman.
Really? Even though he doesn't have speed near the level of Superman according to some people? I wonder how he did that!! Maybe Superman's super agility wasn't turned on. 😄
All that, and Superman also beat Yellow ring Henshaw. Surfer >> Superman; Surfer >>>>>Henshaw.
Originally posted by Blue Area VetSurfer could probably give Henshaw what Superman and no one else can, and that's a permanent death. They should do a crossover.
Really? Even though he doesn't have speed near the level of Superman according to some people? I wonder how he did that!! Maybe Superman's super agility wasn't turned on. 😄All that, and Superman also beat Yellow ring Henshaw. Surfer >> Superman; Surfer >>>>>Henshaw.
Originally posted by curryman
How much damage does henshaw have to suffer for it to count as a forum win?How would you know, you've been here a week.
I know he lowballs characters because he did all week just like I know you attacked me out of the blue twice this week and suggested I be banned, because you did.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Scans?Plus 3 shotting Superman doesn't make one trans.
Please list all the characters who've threeshotted superman.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Really? Even though he doesn't have speed near the level of Superman according to some people? I wonder how he did that!! Maybe Superman's super agility wasn't turned on. 😄All that, and Superman also beat Yellow ring Henshaw. Surfer >> Superman; Surfer >>>>>Henshaw.
That was an all out superman. He would do the same to surfer. Who said surfer>superman or henshaw? Surfer fought henshaw directly and henshaw laughed at his puny attacks.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That isn't even PG drax. Also who said someone has to be trans to beat surfer?
Edited my post. Was thinking you were replying to my post to you and not the post targetted at zenzAzer.
Originally posted by abhilegend
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http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2467054-3.pngPlease list all the characters who've threeshotted superman.
From the scans, that's actually a FIVE shot.
So is your argument: anyone who can beat Superman in five or less shots can stomp the Surfer?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Edited my post. Was thinking you were replying to my post to you and not the post targetted at zenzAzer.From the scans, that's actually a FIVE shot.
So is your argument: anyone who can beat Superman in five or less shots can stomp the Surfer?
Superman pretty much shrugged off the first two shots. It was the last three shots that knocked him out.
I never said hank would stomp surfer with rings, I said he would beat him with or without rings as he can drain surfer pretty easily of his PC.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok.Superman pretty much shrugged off the first two shots. It was the last three shots that knocked him out.
I never said hank would stomp surfer with rings, I said he would beat him with or without rings as he can drain surfer pretty easily of his PC.
You can't exclude the first few hits just cuz a character looked ok at first. If I'm not mistaken with your comment, the first 2 hits that were "shrugged off" (cuz I really didn't know what the big yellow pillar of energy was) happened in the first scan? Then the FOUR shots that KO'd Superman happened in the second scan, am I right?
You replied to my question about: "What does Hank with rings' Have in terms of "feats" that would suggest him stomping the Surfer?" with the "Superman threeshot" comment, one would assume you meant that this "feat" was proof of him stomping the Surfer. If not, then I hope you can forgive ppl misconstruing your reply as such. So you're saying Henshaw's (edit. Forgot to put "with rings"😉 sole "feat" of "threeshotting Superman (actually a 5-6 shot)" does, in no way, prove anything?
So are you saying that Hank would be able to easily drain the Surfer? Does he have "feats" that prove that his energy manipulation > Surfer?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You can't exclude the first few hits just cuz a character looked ok at first. If I'm not mistaken with your comment, the first 2 hits that were "shrugged off" (cuz I really didn't know what the big yellow pillar of energy was) happened in the first scan? Then the FOUR shots that KO'd Superman happened in the second scan, am I right?You replied to my question about: "What does Hank with rings' Have in terms of "feats" that would suggest him stomping the Surfer?" with the "Superman threeshot" comment, one would assume you meant that this "feat" was proof of him stomping the Surfer. If not, then I hope you can forgive ppl misconstruing your reply as such. So you're saying Henshaw's (edit. Forgot to put "with rings"😉 sole "feat" of "threeshotting Superman (actually a 5-6 shot)" does, in no way, prove anything?
So are you saying that Hank would be able to easily drain the Surfer? Does he have "feats" that prove that his energy manipulation > Surfer?
I said hank would beat surfer, not that he would stomp surfer. I don't care if somebody mistakes me saying that means "hank stomps surfer". That's their problem, not mine. It proves that Henshaw would beat surfer's ass.
You don't have to be above surfer in energy manipulation to drain his energies. Random characters with no energy manipulation have drained him with tech. If you're aiming for feats, he drained Ganthet's ring. Not that punching surfer wouldn't work for henshaw.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I can. Who said otherwise?I said hank would beat surfer, not that he would stomp surfer. I don't care if somebody mistakes me saying that means "hank stomps surfer". That's their problem, not mine. It proves that Henshaw would beat surfer's ass.
You don't have to be above surfer in energy manipulation to drain his energies. Random characters with no energy manipulation have drained him with tech. If you're aiming for feats, he drained Ganthet's ring. Not that punching surfer wouldn't work for henshaw.
You can't excuide the first few hits of a battle just because you think a character didn't get so hurt by them and then only count the hits where you think the character got hurt in. That is blatantly exaggerating the relevance of the "feat". Damage is cumulative in combat. Just because a character looks ok within the first few hits, doesn't mean it didn't do any damage.
You replied to my post requesting such. So you're saying anyone who can 6-shot (or below) Superman would beat the Surfer's ass? Also, didn't Superman beat Henshaw after?
So you're saying that anyone with tech that can drain a target of energy would be able to drain the Surfer? Just need clarification of your position.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You can't excuide the first few hits of a battle just because you think a character didn't get so hurt by them and then only count the hits where you think the character got hurt in. That is blatantly exaggerating the relevance of the "feat". Damage is cumulative in combat. Just because a character looks ok within the first few hits, doesn't mean it didn't do any damage.You replied to my post requesting such. So you're saying anyone who can 6-shot (or below) Superman would beat the Surfer's ass? Also, didn't Superman beat Henshaw after?
So you're saying that anyone with tech that can drain a target of energy would be able to drain the Surfer? Just need clarification of your position.
It was not the matter of 6 shots, Cyborg completely outclassed superman there and I don't think surfer can contend with that level of power. Yes, an all out superman nearly killed henshaw off-panel but that's nothing surprising. Superman going all out does shit like that on regular. Probe busting anyone?
That's what surfer's showings tell us against tech draining. Its pretty pathetic actually to the point that some random pirates have drained him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If a character shrugs off an attack which didn't hurt him, it can be excluded from the hits which KOED him. Cyborg at his normal power level couldn't hurt superman but then he had amp his strikes by yellow rings and knocked superman out in four punches. Pretty straight-forward I would say. BTW that yellow pillar was Henshaw tackling superman out of watchtower which superman pretty much shrugged off.
It is your opinion that Superman "shrugged off" the attack. To me, it looked like Superman got rocked by the hits but then managed to counterattack like any character in a comic book would. Admittedly, the amped yellow ring punches were much more effective.
Regardless of the "damage" suffered or not by a character, you can't go around claiming "three shot" when the actual required hits prior to KO was 6. A lot of people define a "three shot" as "requiring 3 shots to achieve a win" which didn't happen here as it took 6 shots and apparently, this wasn't really the end of the fight (if the off panel loss of Henshaw happened right after).
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was not the matter of 6 shots, Cyborg completely outclassed superman there and I don't think surfer can contend with that level of power. Yes, an all out superman nearly killed henshaw off-panel but that's nothing surprising. Superman going all out does shit like that on regular. Probe busting anyone?
It was 6 shots.
All it looks to me is that Henshaw hit Superman multiple times before Superman could recover. You don't need to "completely outclass" someone to temporarily KO someone with several hits.
And the fact that Superman managed to recover from this KO/stun and then own Henshaw off panel kinda makes Henshaw even less impressive.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what surfer's showings tell us against tech draining. Its pretty pathetic actually to the point that some random pirates have drained him.
Scans of "random pirate" draining the Surfer?
So you're saying that anyone with tech that can drain energy would be easily be able to drain the Surfer and that Henshaw would somehow know of this tactic and be able to implement this while being in a battle situation (and somehow not be resisted by the Surfer)?
Originally posted by NibedicusAnd that's your opinion.
It is your opinion that Superman "shrugged off" the attack. To me, it looked like Superman got rocked by the hits but then managed to counterattack like any character in a comic book would.
Admittedly, the amped yellow ring punches were much more effective.Good.
Regardless of the "damage" suffered or not by a character, you can't go around claiming "three shot" when the actual required hits prior to KO was 6. A lot of people define a "three shot" as "requiring 3 shots to achieve a win" which didn't happen here as it took 6 shots and apparently, this wasn't really the end of the fight (if the off panel loss of Henshaw happened right after).Superman was knocked out. That was the end of that fight.
It was 6 shots.In which he only landed 4 amped strikes on superman and that KTFO superman. I don't think surfer can take those 4 shots and remain conscious.
All it looks to me is that Henshaw hit Superman multiple times before Superman could recover. You don't need to "completely outclass" someone to temporarily KO someone with several hits.It wasn't a temporary KO. Superman was KTFO. You haven't even read the story. Go read the story before you start spewing random nonsense like "temporary KO".
And the fact that Superman managed to recover from this KO/stun and then own Henshaw off panel kinda makes Henshaw even less impressive.That was an admittedly all out superman. All out superman nearly killing Cyborg isn't a bad showing when he had some help from Supergirl and Powergirl.
Scans of "random pirate" draining the Surfer?
Some examples of him getting drained by random tech. There are a lot more showings like that. I'm afraid that I would be labelled as a lowballer if I posted all those showings though.
So you're saying that anyone with tech that can drain energy would be easily be able to drain the Surfer and that Henshaw would somehow know of this tactic and be able to implement this while being in a battle situation (and somehow not be resisted by the Surfer)?Essentially yes. Why would this be random anyway? Cyborg can create weapons to counter energy beings. Iron man has drained Surfer by just an EMP device.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And that's your opinion. Good.
And your opinion, too. Let's just let other people decide based on the evidence provided.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was knocked out. That was the end of that fight.
Please point me out to the issue that continued thus fight. I read GL#24 and the fight wasn't really continued there.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In which he only landed 4 amped strikes on superman and that KTFO superman. I don't think surfer can take those 4 shots and remain conscious.
Post Annihilation upgrade (regardless of whether or not you think it was simply "mindset" or actual "power"😉, Surfer has been able to tank some pretty impressive hits without getting KO'd so I'll go ahead and disagree with that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It wasn't a temporary KO. Superman was KTFO. You haven't even read the story. Go read the story before you start spewing random nonsense like "temporary KO".
I actually read the stories after that, they didn't show Superman KO'd. Didn't really show Superman at all. If you'd be so kond as to point me to the issue which shows Superman KO'd for an extended period of time after this fight, I'll go ahead and read it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That was an admittedly all out superman. All out superman nearly killing Cyborg isn't a bad showing when he had some help from Supergirl and Powergirl.
See above. I'll judge for myself how "all out" Superman was.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Some examples of him getting drained by random tech. There are a lot more showings like that. I'm afraid that I would be labelled as a lowballer if I posted all those showings though.
Essentially yes. Why would this be random anyway? Cyborg can create weapons to counter energy beings. Iron man has drained Surfer by just an EMP device.
So you've got one scan with a captured (and obviously weakened) Surfer being continuously drained by a ship's engine. One where someone used the same exact tech that blocked him in the past gained by his opponents via prep which failed and which he resisted then overloaded, one scan that shows an energy drain hurting him (also gained via prep) but failing to drain him completely and one where Iron man siphoned some of his energies where he was up just one panel after.
And then somehow extrapolate that Henshaw can duplicate the specifics of these attacks without prep, to a prepared and healthy Surfer (who has, via your scans, been able to adapt from past experiences and resist draining, even those that have been able to work on him in the past) in a battle scenario wherein he knows little of the opponent he's facing other than public knowledge? And you're saying he'll do this while fighting in character?
Also, Surfer isn't an energy being.
Originally posted by NibedicusSo its now decided by who votes who? I'll pass.
And your opinion, too. Let's just let other people decide based on the evidence provided.
Please point me out to the issue that continued thus fight. I read GL#24 and the fight wasn't really continued there.It was a totally off panel fight after which Superman, Power Girl and Supergirl threw Henshaw at SBP while Cyborg said that superman nearly killed him. Its in Tales of sinestro corps: Superman prime.
Post Annihilation upgrade (regardless of whether or not you think it was simply "mindset" or actual "power"😉, Surfer has been able to tank some pretty impressive hits without getting KO'd so I'll go ahead and disagree with that.There was no upgrade in annihilation and that doesn't mean his previous showings don't count. They absolutely do. Caiera oneshotted him on Sakaar IIRC.
I actually read the stories after that, they didn't show Superman KO'd.Because he was actually KTFO in that story as seen when Cyborg had him hang limply in his construct.
Didn't really show Superman at all. If you'd be so kond as to point me to the issue which shows Superman KO'd for an extended period of time after this fight, I'll go ahead and read it.You don't have to read any other story. Superman was KTFO and it was explicitly shown here.
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See above. I'll judge for myself how "all out" Superman was.Enough all out to nearly kill a guy who previously curbstomped him? How about that?
So you've got one scan with a captured (and obviously weakened) Surfer being continuously drained by a ship's engine.Surfer was captured because he was drained. Not because he was weakened before that.
One where someone used the same exact tech that blocked him in the past gained by his opponents via prep which failed and which he resisted then overloaded,WTF are you talking about? If you are talking about his experience with Dynamo city, that was a different tech and surfer was completely drained there.
Drax who is powered by cosmic energies, completely no sold this draining. Make sure you've actually read the comic before start spewing nonsense.
That was the first time that alien tech was used on surfer and it wasn't with prep. Not to mention he didn't resist shit there, he was completely drained there. He just used a diversion to fire all his energy in the weapon which caused a feedback. It was also some random alien tech, nothing to brag about. Have you even read the story or just making shit up like usual?
one scan that shows an energy drain hurting him (also gained via prep) but failing to drain him completely and one where Iron man siphoned some of his energies where he was up just one panel after.Because he tore them from his skin and Iron man let go of him because he had enough energy.
And then somehow extrapolate that Henshaw can duplicate the specifics of these attacks without prep, to a prepared and healthy Surfer (who has, via your scans, been able to adapt from past experiences and resist draining, even those that have been able to work on him in the past) in a battle scenario wherein he knows little of the opponent he's facing other than public knowledge? And you're saying he'll do this while fighting in character?Your excuses for surfer are really laughable. Where did he resist or adapt at anything?
Also, Surfer isn't an energy being.He's an energy being in a shell.
