Originally posted by Galan007
In the hands of a competent wielder, I'd put a pre-Johns-era ring above Mjolnir for sure.A Johns-era ring, however, is a completely different animal. Unless Hal is wielding it, then Mjolnir would likely come out on top.
This. PC era could pretty much do anything Mjonir could. Post crisis, not so much.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
What are you talking about?With Mjoinir you become Thor
With a ring at best your realistically a rookie GL
How is that not relevant?
We become rookie GLs, but Geoff Johns sure as shit isn't in control of my life!
Which means that I'll do more than make a big green scissors and boxing gloves 😄
Originally posted by Bentley
The question is which is more intrinsically powerful, the lacking user is not being called into question to answer that.
Mjoinir will turn them into Thor
The Ring gives them power and some homework
Advantage: Mjoinir
Powers:
Roughly even, smarter with ring but stronger with hammer
Advantage: neither
So unless are random wielder has amazing will power, and is a quick learner I don't see any real advantages to the ring, unless you like Oa more than Asgard.
if all we look at is potential, the ring takes it. what was that series called where kyle subconsciously created 4 lanterns? one had the speed force? can't recall the others but each was very powerful and believed themselves to be completely individual beings, even with their own histories..... showed how powerful the ring COULD be.
It's not just about power though.
A hammer is very unwieldy and I feel like it's a lot easier to get separated from it. The lanterns can more or less internalize the ring, and Kyle's instant-reconstitution should more or less make up for any lacking durability-boost. Not to mention the awesome amounts knowledge and information the ring stores.
Originally posted by abhilegend
GL ring's potential has never been nigh-infinite. Its just in title only. We've seen it fail many times even though there has been enough willpower to complete a task, most famously in John Stewart's case but there has been cases like that before.
Versatility is a form of power. If you're only talking about raw output, we're having different conversations.
I'd also refute your "PC feats aren't canon" claims on a couple counts. One, the Guardians were outside the original Crisis event and were unaffected by it. This was explicitly stated a few times, I think most recently in the Sinestro Corps War. As such, the nature of the rings and how they operate didn't change at all, so any feats from the PC era can be safely included in their "potential." Again, you're conflating the ring with its wielder. Even if, say, Hal's PC feats aren't applicable for Hal specifically if Hal's canon was wiped clean (though I'm not sure it was), they're still applicable for the rings in general, because their power source and how they operate didn't change at all.
Depends on what you mean by more powerful. There are a ton of different ways to do break this argument down where each one comes out a little ahead of each other. Some it will just come down to personal taste. Personally I would rather have the hammer.
As for my decision.
Raw Power output:
I'm sorry I'm taking the hammer over the ring. If there is one thing Thor can do it's unleash powerful attacks.
Versatility:
Well if you take all of the GL feats together than yes it nudges out Mjolnir but the Hammer isn't far behind. Plus the hammer being magical I think gives it a trump card in a lot of cases.
Also I think most people are ignoring the very real limitations the rings have. I know people like to tout one Lantern's feats for another but honestly each Lantern is different with different personalities which causes the ring to manifest it's powers slightly different for each one. People acting like they get the ring and will be able to do everything any lantern ever did is fool-hardy. Odds are no one here is pulling off every feat every lantern ever did even if they know they can. The ring is still limited by imagination and WILLPOWER. Some of you would be lucky to get a blast off before draining yourselves 😛
Also the hammer not only grants you versatility but an incredibly powerful body with great physical stats.
And as an energy shield, energy absorber the hammer has few equals in that department.
Originally posted by Digi
Versatility is a form of power. If you're only talking about raw output, we're having different conversations.I'd also refute your "PC feats aren't canon" claims on a couple counts. One, the Guardians were outside the original Crisis event and were unaffected by it. This was explicitly stated a few times, I think most recently in the Sinestro Corps War. As such, the nature of the rings and how they operate didn't change at all, so any feats from the PC era can be safely included in their "potential." Again, you're conflating the ring with its wielder. Even if, say, Hal's PC feats aren't applicable for Hal specifically if Hal's canon was wiped clean (though I'm not sure it was), they're still applicable for the rings in general, because their power source and how they operate didn't change at all.
Guardians were affected by the crisis too. The ring fundamentally changed after crisis. Before crisis it had practically limitless energy for 24 hours and after crisis it could run out of energy before its time. Emerald dawn rebooted GLs in 1990. It changed hal's history, changed how ring operated and many such things. PC feats are canon for every character in DC after infinite crisis though.
