Originally posted by wolverinos
Gosh, rage just loves his "thor wasnt at full power" "thor's opponent was massively amped" arguments.its like me comming up with something like, superman holds back all the time therefor automatically he could defeat his opponents if he just wanted and unleashed himself.
or saying superman is depowered during every single fight because of his weakness to kryptonite, and the fact there is kryptonite scattered all over earth it somehow affects superman while he is on earth.
see? i can be the rage of superman... geez.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So Ulik is a billion+ times stronger than usual and after beating him Thor struggled to lift some cars? Ulik might as well be an amoeba in strength at normal level then.Can you post the whole sequence of Thor freeing himself and not just a cropped scan?
Based on Bor being Odin's father. Why would that means Bor was unworthy and not just depowered? Odin doesn't need Thor to be dead to lift the hammer.
As soon as you post the scan which says that they were as powerful as when they were alive, we can use a mod ruling.
You mean when hulk says that Thor is a god? How is that doubting his strength? Not to mention that Hulk grew stronger in canon as told in IH 131 and IH 270 when he said he was far weaker in strength those days. Honestly Thor stalemating Hulk when he was at his strongest and Hulk was at his weakest isn't very impressive.
Thor never tried to lift the cars before he turned mortal. What about the very clear dialogue are you not understanding? And not to mention this line of reasoning is pointless unless you're going to argue that Defalco's Thor was very weak?
I posted all the relevant panels but here are the full three pages:
Like I said, that was Ulik falling and once Thor transformed, he shrugged off the weight. Like the dialogue made clear he could in the previous page.
Bor being Odin's father means he's more powerful or has the ability to override his spells? Please post evidence to support this. Bor =/= Odin.
I posted scans indicating that as far as Hela was concerned, there power was undiminished. But why do I have to post evidence saying that a character brought back to the land of living isn't weaker then normal?
No, when Thor busts out of the ground and Hulk doubts that Thor is as strong as him. Yes, not impressive stalemating the Hulk in strength at all. 😂
Originally posted by wolverinos
he was "powered" up by the end of the arc as i pointed out , not during his major fights, reread the arc.again speculations you pull out of your butt.
Tutinax mentioned his powers, thor pointed out it doesnt work on him, nor was it mentioned that the powers were effecting thor, therefor there is no reason to believe thor was effected by powers.
if you want to make up things go write your own thor comics, but dont twist that was already written and published.Thor did not hurt odin, took him off balance and made him trip, there is no evidence nor statement or showing odin was even slightly hurt.
judging by feats yes Nul is weaker than the average savage hulk thats a fact.
dont try to get personal i will make you bash your head against the keyboard if we get there.again if the high end feats are a complete minority which contredict a HUGE wave of majority then it is a PIS and cannot be used.
Superman has much higher High end feats where he does things that clearly should put him as high or mid trans, you dont see me use those as his standard, if thor had half of the feats superman has you would cream those feats every single day.you repeat yourself like a broken record, i addressed those events, some of them are PIS, some of them are just thor effecting =/= beating, but the thing is, even if those is able to hurt individuals who are above the herald league, it doesnt mean thor can beat any herald Lol, some heralds are more suited to beat thor like black adam due to superior speed and fighting.
again this is not a war of feats, thor has dozens on top of dozens years of performance, his feats are scattered around from low herald to trans and even skyfather, but if we take all this mess and look at it correctly, we see that most of his feats put him at his average high herald , while thor only brawling it out is nothing special to mid heralds and up.
Adam on the other hand has a more stacked up performance, the complete majority of his showings portray him as a high herald with better skill set than thor and better performance specially in fights vs guys who can match him in speed and strength, not only vs huge slow pokes who just stand there and take him shots.
Post scans indicating this please.
Yes, Tutinax only brought up his fear powers crippling Thor for fun.
Sorry, don't get to ignore high end feats because you don't like them. 🙂
You don't get to call high end showings PIS and bring up Black Adam scattering the JSA. Anyways Thor's hurt everyone from Galactus to Surtur to Odin to Chaos King to killing an Eternity level Demorgorge's heart. He one shot killed Angrir, a massively amped Ulik, tore through a resurrected Skurge, dented Surfer's skull with a headbutt, took on Grey Hulk and Savage Hulk at the same time, resisted a Universal ending weapon, transmuted an omnipotent Destroyer host into a mortal again etc. Just recently he went toe to toe with Angrir/Nul while weakened (And also stalemated Surfer in this state) which shits on fighting Superman until he gets serious. We also saw him take on Hela with the Twilight Sword, Gorr the Butcher of Gods, Glory a pantheon of Gods, took on Galactus/Scrier/the Other with Surfer/Rachel despite them operating on a reality busting level, a Surtur capable of destroying the Multiverse which is even more impressive etc. all within the last few years.
And I'll keep repeating the feats until you decide to counter them with any kind of evidence. I'll also keep adding to the list as I think of more.
Fortunately for you I'm not in the habit of picking on retarded kids so I'm limiting this only to showings of recent years. Because you somehow think Thor has been depowered.
You try to lowball Thor and suddenly it's not a war of feats? Also Thor's brawling showings against the Butcher of Gods in the recent arc are better then anything Adam's ever accomplished. Heck, this fight alone is far better then anything Adam's ever done even though Thor gets beat up:
Adam has never shown greater skill then Thor.
Originally posted by wolverinos
and again i repeat my statement, it was never showed the u foes got the power up, in non of their fights it was mentioned they became stronger than usual, there is also no mention or portreyal of them being more powerful while fighting thor, and even cap and nick dispatched them with easy.
this is not an evidence to them being powered up at all, it shows the writer was intending to use some powers up for the bag guys but it did not happen for the u foes.so what is your point? so you backed up from your original statement that thor wasnt at full power when facing the u foes because sentry tackled him? good, thats all i wanted.
sentrys onslaught? you shitting me? sentry tackled thor and gets bfr, what onslaught are you talking about? i bring the sentry bump because i am pointing out while standing vs the u foes and falling to them thor was perfectly fine thats all.
and yes if you do imply that thor was hurt from a tackle made by sentry then its a low showing to his durability.
dude... he was all covered in blood and holding his hand collapsingly as if he had some seizure attack... he wasnt injured? really???
I've said all I had to say about the U-Foes, take it or leave it.
I stand by what I said. The entire plan revolved around hitting Thor hard and fast and wearing him out. If you think Sentry's attack did nothing when his job there was to take out Thor, you're insane.
Yes, getting hurt by Void influenced Sentry who was there to put you down permanently is definitely a low showing. Not to mention we saw him punching/blasting Thor during the attack but whatever.
I said there was blood but there wasn't any visible wounds like bruising and such. It doesn't change anything, I just found it odd.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor never tried to lift the cars before he turned mortal. What about the very clear dialogue are you not understanding? And not to mention this line of reasoning is pointless unless you're going to argue that Defalco's Thor was very weak?I posted all the relevant panels but here are the full three pages:
Like I said, that was Ulik falling and once Thor transformed, he shrugged off the weight. Like the dialogue made clear he could in the previous page.
Bor being Odin's father means he's more powerful or has the ability to override his spells? Please post evidence to support this. Bor =/= Odin.
I posted scans indicating that as far as Hela was concerned, there power was undiminished. But why do I have to post evidence saying that a character brought back to the land of living isn't weaker then normal?
No, when Thor busts out of the ground and Hulk doubts that Thor is as strong as him. Yes, not impressive stalemating the Hulk in strength at all. 😂
Yep, an energy blast to loose the debris first.
Of course not.
Odinforce was passed from Bor to Odin.
Anyway, Bor failed to lift the hammer and there was no indication that they were at the same power level. Desak showed no immunity to godly attacks and so on. Its a non feat.
Namor has two victories over that same hulk in slugfest. Thor has none. ABC logic is irrefutable.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was straining to be free of them for a full minute as stated. How was he not trying to be rid of them if he was straining? DeFalco also wrote the scene where Thor feared for his life falling from a building.Yep, an energy blast to loose the debris first.
Of course not.
Odinforce was passed from Bor to Odin.
Anyway, Bor failed to lift the hammer and there was no indication that they were at the same power level. Desak showed no immunity to godly attacks and so on. Its a non feat.
Namor has two victories over that same hulk in slugfest. Thor has none. ABC logic is irrefutable.
Correction, the Odin Force was created when Odin's brothers was killed by Sutyr.
Bor didn't actually pass any power to Odin (unless there's a retcons in their somewhere).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Post scans indicating this please.Yes, Tutinax only brought up his fear powers crippling Thor for fun.
Sorry, don't get to ignore high end feats because you don't like them. 🙂
You don't get to call high end showings PIS and bring up Black Adam scattering the JSA. Anyways Thor's hurt everyone from Galactus to Surtur to Odin to Chaos King to killing an Eternity level Demorgorge's heart. He one shot killed Angrir, a massively amped Ulik, tore through a resurrected Skurge, dented Surfer's skull with a headbutt, took on Grey Hulk and Savage Hulk at the same time, resisted a Universal ending weapon, transmuted an omnipotent Destroyer host into a mortal again etc. Just recently he went toe to toe with Angrir/Nul while weakened (And also stalemated Surfer in this state) which shits on fighting Superman until he gets serious. We also saw him take on Hela with the Twilight Sword, Gorr the Butcher of Gods, Glory a pantheon of Gods, took on Galactus/Scrier/the Other with Surfer/Rachel despite them operating on a reality busting level, a Surtur capable of destroying the Multiverse which is even more impressive etc. all within the last few years.
And I'll keep repeating the feats until you decide to counter them with any kind of evidence. I'll also keep adding to the list as I think of more.
Fortunately for you I'm not in the habit of picking on retarded kids so I'm limiting this only to showings of recent years. Because you somehow think Thor has been depowered.
You try to lowball Thor and suddenly it's not a war of feats? Also Thor's brawling showings against the Butcher of Gods in the recent arc are better then anything Adam's ever accomplished. Heck, this fight alone is far better then anything Adam's ever done even though Thor gets beat up:
Adam has never shown greater skill then Thor.
reread the arc, at the end of WW3 he asks her to transform because he was out of power after the whole fighting.
Tutinax mentioned his powers to thor it doesnt mean they were working.
the mention of the powers was to highlight the fact thor is not effected by fear powers because he is so brave.
never said i dont like them, only thing i am saying is that you cannot use them because they are complete minority.
you basically copy paste half of your argument which is trolling, i already addressed all those points concerning the feats you stated.
we got personal? U MAD? whats the matter my argument doesnt allow you to go and get some sleep because you feel you have to defend thors honor? Lol at you talking about retardness.
being a retard is a disease which people are not to blame for having, what you got is from self choice being ignorant to facts and pulling idiotic stuff to defend your agenda.
however i could be wrong and you might as well be born with the syndrome you have.
and whats the context behind what you posted? very simple.
thor couldnt hurt his father, his mjolnir strike was simply tanked, then they grab hands like father and son and odin tells him you yield? odin didnt want to hurt thor, but thor was too stuborn to realise that, and then odin tells him fine, which basically means ok now i am going to spank you after i never intended to hurt you.
when odin does decide to do something to thor, thor is as always on his knees beaten up gushing blood and kicked on the floor, kinda reminds of what the u foes did to him, or when kurse was stomping his head into the dirt.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was straining to be free of them for a full minute as stated. How was he not trying to be rid of them if he was straining? DeFalco also wrote the scene where Thor feared for his life falling from a building.Yep, an energy blast to loose the debris first.
Of course not.
Odinforce was passed from Bor to Odin.
Anyway, Bor failed to lift the hammer and there was no indication that they were at the same power level. Desak showed no immunity to godly attacks and so on. Its a non feat.
Namor has two victories over that same hulk in slugfest. Thor has none. ABC logic is irrefutable.
Thor never tried to lift the cars before he turned mortal. He was gathering his strength to shrug off the cars. He also wrote Thor taking hits from Surtur, beatings from Odin, being blasted into a planet by a Celestial, flying through a planet destroying explosion and landing into a planet with the force of a meteor.
What energy blast?
Lol? When was the Odin Force passed to Odin from Bor? That doesn't even make any sense. Especially since under JMS, Bor was simply gone into the snow and under Fraction he died while Odin was still a boy with no mention of any power transfer.
Okay? I posted scans of an amped Hela summoning them from the after life. If you want to argue they were weakened, please post evidence.
You brought up Superman saying Black Adam > Captain Marvel, I simply responded with a better feat.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've said all I had to say about the U-Foes, take it or leave it.I stand by what I said. The entire plan revolved around hitting Thor hard and fast and wearing him out. If you think Sentry's attack did nothing when his job there was to take out Thor, you're insane.
Yes, getting hurt by Void influenced Sentry who was there to put you down permanently is definitely a low showing. Not to mention we saw him punching/blasting Thor during the attack but whatever.
I said there was blood but there wasn't any visible wounds like bruising and such. It doesn't change anything, I just found it odd.
and what you said is nonsense that contredict what was portrayed and basically consist of your speculations and what you would like to believe.
sentry was trying to take out thor but was bfr'd, his intentions to begin with =/= the outcome.
what sentry managed to do was simply tackle thor and got bfr'd thats about it, trying to imply that bump into thor left him injured without it even being mentioned or implied is just idiotic.
thats the art, how can you bleed and be covered with blood without being bruised? you are just using a strawman over nothing.
thor was lying down covered with blood with his eyes closed and held his hand collapsingly like he had a seizure attack, yeah he indeed wasnt really hurt.
Originally posted by wolverinos
reread the arc, at the end of WW3 he asks her to transform because he was out of power after the whole fighting.Tutinax mentioned his powers to thor it doesnt mean they were working.
the mention of the powers was to highlight the fact thor is not effected by fear powers because he is so brave.never said i dont like them, only thing i am saying is that you cannot use them because they are complete minority.
you basically copy paste half of your argument which is trolling, i already addressed all those points concerning the feats you stated.
we got personal? U MAD? whats the matter my argument doesnt allow you to go and get some sleep because you feel you have to defend thors honor? Lol at you talking about retardness.
being a retard is a disease which people are not to blame for having, what you got is from self choice being ignorant to facts and pulling idiotic stuff to defend your agenda.
however i could be wrong and you might as well be born with the syndrome you have.and whats the context behind what you posted? very simple.
thor couldnt hurt his father, his mjolnir strike was simply tanked, then they grab hands like father and son and odin tells him you yield? odin didnt want to hurt thor, but thor was too stuborn to realise that, and then odin tells him fine, which basically means ok now i am going to spank you after i never intended to hurt you.
when odin does decide to do something to thor, thor is as always on his knees beaten up gushing blood and kicked on the floor, kinda reminds of what the u foes did to him, or when kurse was stomping his head into the dirt.
Scans?
You didn't address a single thing. You just said the majority of them are PIS or don't count because you think they are high showings. What is that if not trolling?
And oh yea, I forgot to post this earlier:
He definitely hurt Odin there.
Thor took on Odin in the Destroyer Armor with the Odinsword and was actually able to clash with him and took hits. More impressive then anything Adam has ever done by far. For the record, Adam would get beaten by Sentry alone and Kurse would wipe the floor with him.
Originally posted by wolverinos
and what you said is nonsense that contredict what was portrayed and basically consist of your speculations and what you would like to believe.sentry was trying to take out thor but was bfr'd, his intentions to begin with =/= the outcome.
what sentry managed to do was simply tackle thor and got bfr'd thats about it, trying to imply that bump into thor left him injured without it even being mentioned or implied is just idiotic.thats the art, how can you bleed and be covered with blood without being bruised? you are just using a strawman over nothing.
thor was lying down covered with blood with his eyes closed and held his hand collapsingly like he had a seizure attack, yeah he indeed wasnt really hurt.
I posted scans and I'm not the one who wants to contradict what was portrayed?
Like I said, Sentry attacked Thor and we see him doing more then just tackling him. Not to mention an all out tackle from an elite Top Tier will leave anyone under Trans hurting. Look at what Sentry did to Blue Marvel etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Scans?You didn't address a single thing. You just said the majority of them are PIS or don't count because you think they are high showings. What is that if not trolling?
And oh yea, I forgot to post this earlier:
He definitely hurt Odin there.
Thor took on Odin in the Destroyer Armor with the Odinsword and was actually able to clash with him and took hits. More impressive then anything Adam has ever done by far. For the record, Adam would get beaten by Sentry alone and Kurse would wipe the floor with him.
look it up yourself, jsut the way you avoid 80% of what i address and never post the scans i am asking for same goes in return.
i addressed the things, reread my comment and see i addressed your examples.
some of them contredicted the whole event, some of them are too much of rarity and overall they cannot be used in fights.
would it be ok if i bring black adam destroying spectre and say thats hiw power level?
would it be for me to say superman can lift infility weight or survive a galactical explosion therefor nothing under galactical force can take him out? that contredicts the majority therefor i will not use it.
seems to me you are desperate because thor most of the times is getting his butt handed.
cool he manage to hit odin who wasnt even trying to fight.... and that proves?
on the other hand there are other moments when odin does intend to injure thor and not only does he tank his attacks he is dispatching thor like a step child.
so now thor not dying from his daddy spanking him is some kind of high showings for thor?
😆
he clashed and took hits when odin didnt even want to hurt him, after odin got tired and said fine, thor was on his knees bleeding as usual.
amm nop it wouldnt happen to adam because he can actually fight.
however i do believe a good writen sentry will own both thor and adam.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I posted scans and I'm not the one who wants to contradict what was portrayed?Like I said, Sentry attacked Thor and we see him doing more then just tackling him. Not to mention an all out tackle from an elite Top Tier will leave anyone under Trans hurting. Look at what Sentry did to Blue Marvel etc.
you posted scans and made things up, where is the evidence they were powered as well? where is the evidence they were powered up at that moment?
nop, all sentry did was tackle him thats about it, if you claim thats enough to leave thor injured to the point he is weaker then
A: his durability really sucks.
B: you will have to provide any kind of evidence thor was left hurt from that bump, something clearly wasnt stated or even implied.
now you are saying a bump from sentry will leave any high herald hurt ? 😆 you can get even more entertaining with your thor wankage?
Lol sentry owns the entire marvel universe with a shoulder bump ROFL.
how do you even know it was an all out shoulder bump? was it stated? maybe he just wanted to check how powerful thor is like when 2 fighters in a ring feeling each other with weak punches and kicks to test openings.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor never tried to lift the cars before he turned mortal. He was gathering his strength to shrug off the cars. He also wrote Thor taking hits from Surtur, beatings from Odin, being blasted into a planet by a Celestial, flying through a planet destroying explosion and landing into a planet with the force of a meteor.What energy blast?
Lol? When was the Odin Force passed to Odin from Bor? That doesn't even make any sense. Especially since under JMS, Bor was simply gone into the snow and under Fraction he died while Odin was still a boy with no mention of any power transfer.
Okay? I posted scans of an amped Hela summoning them from the after life. If you want to argue they were weakened, please post evidence.
You brought up Superman saying Black Adam > Captain Marvel, I simply responded with a better feat.
He was inconsistent, we get it.
The one depicted in the scan.
I've seen it mentioned that Odinpower was transferred from Bor to Odin as it was transferred from Buri to Bor and when Odin died, it transferred to Thor. Its not Odin's inherent power, never was.
The fact that Desak was harmed from Thor's attacks proves it. Them being undead soldiers too.
By hulk saying he's a god while he wasn't as strong as today? You might as well say Black Bolt is stronger than anybody since Hulk said that even his strength isn't enough to beat him which he never said about thor BTW.
Originally posted by wolverinos
look it up yourself, jsut the way you avoid 80% of what i address and never post the scans i am asking for same goes in return.
Lemme get this straight....
You accuse him of "avoiding 80% of what you address and never post scans" (even though by recent count, he's been posting scan after scan) but refuse to post scans of the things you've claimed?
facepalm
Rage should just go ahead and put you on ignore (so he can stop wasting time on youand fully dedicate it to debate with Abhi who really does this much better than you do) as he's pretty much won his debate with you at this point...
To quote what a wise man once said:
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Dude makes some valid points, but then he shits all over everything he said.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Lemme get this straight....You accuse him of "avoiding 80% of what you address and never post scans" (even though by recent count, he's been posting scan after scan) but refuse to post scans of the things you've claimed?
facepalm
Rage should just go ahead and put you on ignore (so he can stop wasting time on youand fully dedicate it to debate with Abhi who really does this much better than you do) as he's pretty much won his debate with you at this point...
To quote what a wise man once said:
only thing is nobody asked for your opinion dicus.
if you used more sharp reading comprehension you would see that while rage posted many scans, he didnt post any scans that were addressing my points.
you saw me asking for scans, and then you saw rage post a lot of scans, and by being such a genius you decided rage actually covered all the points, while in reality he was posting useless scans that proved nothing.
as for my debate with rage, i disproved his point that thor was injured while facing the u foes, i disproved his point that tutinax fear powers effected thor, i disproved his claim that the highest showings should be used because by him thats the norm for thor.
so do me a favor and cheerlead Rage more quietly in the corner thank you.
Originally posted by -Pr-I said feats alone doesn't do ANYTHING. The feats have to be relevant to the fight.
Feats have as much say, if not more say, than powerset.
Or a plot device feat where one defeats a character can have no barring on the fight at hand.
And last example, a feat can involve a great length of time to employ. But in a forum fight the other combatant isn't going to sit there and wait for it to happen.
I meant that one should INCLUDE
powerset and style of fighting WITH relevant feats. Feats determine the magnitude or effectiveness of a particular power a character can have. .
