Originally posted by Nibedicus
Lemme get this straight....You accuse him of "avoiding 80% of what you address and never post scans" (even though by recent count, he's been posting scan after scan) but refuse to post scans of the things you've claimed?
facepalm
Rage should just go ahead and put you on ignore (so he can stop wasting time on youand fully dedicate it to debate with Abhi who really does this much better than you do) as he's pretty much won his debate with you at this point...
To quote what a wise man once said:
Agreed.
Originally posted by wolverinos
only thing is nobody asked for your opinion dicus.
if you used more sharp reading comprehension you would see that while rage posted many scans, he didnt post any scans that were addressing my points.
Your exact words were that he "avoided 80% of what you addressed".
Here's what "avoid" means:
a·void
1. To stay clear of; shun.
Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/avoid
FYI, the very fact that he provided scans and tried to address the issue thru proof HE finds sufficient disproves your entire accusation of "avoid". To "avoid" something he has to either provide excuses or skirt AROUND the issue entirely. NOT toss in scans that he (or others) can find acceptable.
You see, just because you don't feel that his scans were acceptable in proving his point to you, doesn't mean that you get to suddenly pretend that he never tried to address you at all. In fact it is the exact opposite.
The irony is that in the very same sentence (without skipping a breath) you go around and attempt to avoid (proper usage this time) his request for you to provide scans of YOUR assertions.
Which makes you a big fat hypocrite.
Originally posted by wolverinos
you saw me asking for scans, and then you saw rage post a lot of scans, and by being such a genius you decided rage actually covered all the points, while in reality he was posting useless scans that proved nothing.
Where did I claim that Rage proved his point thru his scans? Him "proving nothing" is a subjective opinion coming from you (others might disagree). The point is, he, at least, provided scans. What's ironic is that your hypocritical refusal of his request within the same sentence where you accuse him of avoiding the issue makes you lose all credibility in this debate and your refusal to provide evidence pretty much means that people need to take you at your word. Which means crap at this point (giving Rage the win IMO).
Originally posted by wolverinos
as for my debate with rage, i disproved his point that thor was injured while facing the u foes, i disproved his point that tutinax fear powers effected thor, i disproved his claim that the highest showings should be used because by him thats the norm for thor.
Like Zak mentioned, there has been rare moments when you've posted a point or two (let it be known that I am not convinced that you've done ANY of what you've claimed above, at best you've simply consistently denied and dismissed evidence while providing a very flimsy rebuttal). But this is all overshadowed by your frequent hypocritical double standards use and interpretation of evidence and mostly bad attitude.
Originally posted by wolverinos
so do me a favor and cheerlead Rage more quietly in the corner thank you.
My last debate with Rage was actually pretty critical of what he posted and lasted quite a bit. I don't "cheerlead" people. I am pointing out the completely poor debating form that you've consistently displayed so far.
When you have people who are mostly pro-DC (like Zack) who speak out and point out how badly you're making yourself look, you have to really use a bit of introspection to try to figure out what's wrong with what you're doing.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Your exact words were that he "avoided 80% of what you addressed".Here's what "avoid" means:
a·void
1. To stay clear of; shun.Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/avoid
FYI, the very fact that he provided scans and tried to address the issue thru proof HE finds sufficient disproves your entire accusation of "avoid". To "avoid" something he has to either provide excuses or skirt AROUND the issue entirely. NOT toss in scans that he (or others) can find acceptable.
You see, just because you don't feel that his scans were acceptable in proving his point to you, doesn't mean that you get to suddenly pretend that he never tried to address you at all. In fact it is the exact opposite.
The irony is that in the very same sentence (without skipping a breath) you go around and attempt to avoid (proper usage this time) his request for you to provide scans of YOUR assertions.
Which makes you a big fat hypocrite.
Where did I claim that Rage proved his point thru his scans? Him "proving nothing" is a subjective opinion coming from you (others might disagree). The point is, he, at least, provided scans. What's ironic is that your hypocritical refusal of his request within the same sentence where you accuse him of avoiding the issue makes you lose all credibility in this debate and your refusal to provide evidence pretty much means that people need to take you at your word. Which means crap at this point (giving Rage the win IMO).
Like Zak mentioned, there has been rare moments when you've posted a point or two (let it be known that I am not convinced that you've done ANY of what you've claimed above, at best you've simply consistently denied and dismissed evidence while providing a very flimsy rebuttal). But this is all overshadowed by your frequent hypocritical double standards use and interpretation of evidence and mostly bad attitude.
My last debate with Rage was actually pretty critical of what he posted and lasted quite a bit. I don't "cheerlead" people. I am pointing out the completely poor debating form that you've consistently displayed so far.
When you have people who are mostly pro-DC (like Zack) who speak out and point out how badly you're making yourself look, you have to really use a bit of introspection to try to figure out what's wrong with what you're doing.
yes he did avoid my points.
just because he posted something does not mean he is addressing what i asked for, therefor he is posting scans that has nothing to do with what i requested which leads to him avoiding my points.
no, this is a fact that his scans did not provide what i asked for.
i asked him to show me specific scans that state specific things, he posted scans that does not address what i asked for and therefor its invalid.
why should i post anything when the guy asking me to post anything doesnt provide anything i asked for and all he does is post other scans because he believes he can trick people into believing what ever he wants by twisting facts and events.
again who asked you to judge? i personally couldnt care less what you think.
you claimed he "won the debate" therefor you claim he proved me wrong, and once again who asked you to judge? if you like to cheerlead your friend go do it on PM, when 2 people are discussing learn to keep your nose in your own ass.
this is not a matter of opinion, he did not prove thor was injured when facing the u foes, he did not prove tutinax was effecting thor with the fear powers, he did not prove the u foes were empowered by any outside forces during the fight with thor and thats a fact.
so unless you want to prove those things for him zip it and let him do what he is suppose to do without licking his ass from the side.
again i dont really care what you got to say about me as a debater, because i am on those forums for the fun to discuss characters and learn.
unlike people like you i am not too full of myself and believe this is some court where i got to win the case.
when i see i am wrong i leave it to be like in my discussion about galactus and WBH , i saw i was wrong i left it be.
however in this discussion i am 100% right, and you jumping in to help your buddy is pathetic.
and again as far as i am concerned you are a nobody to me, therefor i dont really casre what you think about my debates because i only want respect from people who i respect, judging by the way you cheerlead people and stick your nose into peoples discussions you are not even close to those people, so unless you want to join into the debate? as i said earlier cheerlead your friend quietly in the corner without disturbing anyone.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I posted scans and I'm not the one who wants to contradict what was portrayed?Like I said, Sentry attacked Thor and we see him doing more then just tackling him. Not to mention an all out tackle from an elite Top Tier will leave anyone under Trans hurting. Look at what Sentry did to Blue Marvel etc.
😆 at "tackling." I guess Asgard fell due to a few form tackles by Sentry.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I posted scans and I'm not the one who wants to contradict what was portrayed?Like I said, Sentry attacked Thor and we see him doing more then just tackling him. Not to mention an all out tackle from an elite Top Tier will leave anyone under Trans hurting. Look at what Sentry did to Blue Marvel etc.
😆 at "tackling." I guess Asgard fell due to a few form tackles by Sentry.
Originally posted by Caps Conscience
Thor gets shitted on way too much by Marvel.
If you noticed, it's been happening every since they neutered him by covering up his guns! Not only is he portrayed weaker overall, he is even DRAWN differently. Thor is was always depicted as a quasi-big man, smaller than the brute tank characters, but not like a child in their presence.
Originally posted by h1a8
I said feats alone doesn't do ANYTHING. The feats have to be relevant to the fight.
For example, a strength feat is meaningless if the other combatant is an energy being.Or a plot device feat where one defeats a character can have no barring on the fight at hand.
And last example, a feat can involve a great length of time to employ. But in a forum fight the other combatant isn't going to sit there and wait for it to happen.
I meant that one should INCLUDE
powerset and style of fighting WITH relevant feats. Feats determine the magnitude or effectiveness of a particular power a character can have. .
This is actually what you said:
"feats alone =/=win. It's best to go by the power set along with the style of a character."
Feats along don't equal a win, not feats alone don't do anything. You also said is it best to go by a characters power set. That's why people responded to your post the way they did.
Originally posted by wolverinos
yes he did avoid my points.
just because he posted something does not mean he is addressing what i asked for, therefor he is posting scans that has nothing to do with what i requested which leads to him avoiding my points.
I already posted the definition of "avoid" and cited sources, you refusing to accept the correct use of the word, the way you refuse to accept evidence thrown your way, doesn't really help you at all.
Originally posted by wolverinos
no, this is a fact that his scans did not provide what i asked for.
i asked him to show me specific scans that state specific things, he posted scans that does not address what i asked for and therefor its invalid.
Again, you subjectively refusing to accept his evidence DOES NOT prove that he is avoiding anything. Learn to use the word properly before using it?
Originally posted by wolverinos
why should i post anything when the guy asking me to post anything doesnt provide anything i asked for and all he does is post other scans because he believes he can trick people into believing what ever he wants by twisting facts and events.
Because looking like a big ol hypocrite is kinda bad? If you really wanna prove to be the better poster, provide the evidence he requested and prove your point.
DON'T wrongly accuse him of "avoiding" only to avoid yourself.
Originally posted by wolverinos
again who asked you to judge? i personally couldnt care less what you think.
You care enough to reply to my post, so evidently, here you are wrong again.
Originally posted by wolverinos
you claimed he "won the debate" therefor you claim he proved me wrong, and once again who asked you to judge? if you like to cheerlead your friend go do it on PM, when 2 people are discussing learn to keep your nose in your own ass.
Read the reasons for why I think he won and not make up your own reasons behind what I was saying? In these here parts, we call that a strawman.
If you want people to avoid commenting on what you are posting on a PUBLIC forum, best YOU go ahead and debate via PMs?
Originally posted by wolverinos
this is not a matter of opinion, he did not prove thor was injured when facing the u foes, he did not prove tutinax was effecting thor with the fear powers, he did not prove the u foes were empowered by any outside forces during the fight with thor and thats a fact.
Actually, that IS all a matter of opinion.
Other than the U-Foes being powered up by the Norn Stones (which I think he has yet to conclusively prove, tho I will say that he has sure provided more evidence and provided a better argument than you have), Rage has IMO indeed provided convincing evidence to prove his other points.
You refusing to accept evidence =/= disproving his points. It certainly does not mean he is avoiding anything.
Originally posted by wolverinos
so unless you want to prove those things for him zip it and let him do what he is suppose to do without licking his ass from the side.
U mad bro?
Originally posted by wolverinos
again i dont really care what you got to say about me as a debater, because i am on those forums for the fun to discuss characters and learn.
If you're here to learn, lemme teach you this:
"One who requests evidence and yet refuses to provide it himself will end up looking like a complete hypocrite bringing shame to his house."
You're welcome, grasshoppa.
Originally posted by wolverinos
unlike people like you i am not too full of myself and believe this is some court where i got to win the case.
Well that's good then, as courts would require that you provide solid arguments and definite proof when you make an assertion. None of which you seem to be willing to do.
😆
Originally posted by wolverinos
when i see i am wrong i leave it to be like in my discussion about galactus and WBH , i saw i was wrong i left it be.however in this discussion i am 100% right, and you jumping in to help your buddy is pathetic.
I wouldn't actually call Rage my "buddy".
Pathetic is when you go around making false accusations only to commit the crime yourself. All within the space of a single sentence.
😆
Originally posted by wolverinos
and again as far as i am concerned you are a nobody to me, therefor i dont really casre what you think about my debates because i only want respect from people who i respect, judging by the way you cheerlead people and stick your nose into peoples discussions you are not even close to those people, so unless you want to join into the debate? as i said earlier cheerlead your friend quietly in the corner without disturbing anyone.
That's quite a long reply for someone who doesn't care. 😆
Originally posted by wolverinos
last thing i need is taking your "advices" of how to prove my points.
Show some scans...back up your argument and stop letting Rage do all of the work. He is providing evidence (the same evidence that you tend to call PIS or ignore); its up to you to counter his argument WITH SCANS. Such a weird debater.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I already posted the definition of "avoid" and cited sources, you refusing to accept the correct use of the word, the way you refuse to accept evidence thrown your way, doesn't really help you at all.Again, you subjectively refusing to accept his evidence DOES NOT prove that he is avoiding anything. Learn to use the word properly before using it?
Because looking like a big ol hypocrite is kinda bad? If you really wanna prove to be the better poster, provide the evidence he requested and prove your point.
DON'T wrongly accuse him of "avoiding" only to avoid yourself.
You care enough to reply to my post, so evidently, here you are wrong again.
Read the reasons for why I think he won and not make up your own reasons behind what I was saying? In these here parts, we call that a strawman.
If you want people to avoid commenting on what you are posting on a PUBLIC forum, best YOU go ahead and debate via PMs?
Actually, that IS all a matter of opinion.
Other than the U-Foes being powered up by the Norn Stones (which I think he has yet to conclusively prove, tho I will say that he has sure provided more evidence and provided a better argument than you have), Rage has IMO indeed provided convincing evidence to prove his other points.
You refusing to accept evidence =/= disproving his points. It certainly does not mean he is avoiding anything.
U mad bro?
If you're here to learn, lemme teach you this:
"One who requests evidence and yet refuses to provide it himself will end up looking like a complete hypocrite bringing shame to his house."
You're welcome, grasshoppa.
Well that's good then, as courts would require that you provide solid arguments and definite proof when you make an assertion. None of which you seem to be willing to do.
😆
I wouldn't actually call Rage my "buddy".
Pathetic is when you go around making false accusations only to commit the crime yourself. All within the space of a single sentence.
😆
That's quite a long reply for someone who doesn't care. 😆
Remind me not to phuck wit Nibedicus. ❌
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I already posted the definition of "avoid" and cited sources, you refusing to accept the correct use of the word, the way you refuse to accept evidence thrown your way, doesn't really help you at all.Again, you subjectively refusing to accept his evidence DOES NOT prove that he is avoiding anything. Learn to use the word properly before using it?
Because looking like a big ol hypocrite is kinda bad? If you really wanna prove to be the better poster, provide the evidence he requested and prove your point.
DON'T wrongly accuse him of "avoiding" only to avoid yourself.
You care enough to reply to my post, so evidently, here you are wrong again.
Read the reasons for why I think he won and not make up your own reasons behind what I was saying? In these here parts, we call that a strawman.
If you want people to avoid commenting on what you are posting on a PUBLIC forum, best YOU go ahead and debate via PMs?
Actually, that IS all a matter of opinion.
Other than the U-Foes being powered up by the Norn Stones (which I think he has yet to conclusively prove, tho I will say that he has sure provided more evidence and provided a better argument than you have), Rage has IMO indeed provided convincing evidence to prove his other points.
You refusing to accept evidence =/= disproving his points. It certainly does not mean he is avoiding anything.
U mad bro?
If you're here to learn, lemme teach you this:
"One who requests evidence and yet refuses to provide it himself will end up looking like a complete hypocrite bringing shame to his house."
You're welcome, grasshoppa.
Well that's good then, as courts would require that you provide solid arguments and definite proof when you make an assertion. None of which you seem to be willing to do.
😆
I wouldn't actually call Rage my "buddy".
Pathetic is when you go around making false accusations only to commit the crime yourself. All within the space of a single sentence.
😆
That's quite a long reply for someone who doesn't care. 😆
the difference between you and me is the fact i use my brains and know the recognize something without some dictionary telling me.
the guy is avoiding my points and doesnt post what i am asking to, therefor he is avoiding as simple as it is, go to your dictionary and search butthurt.
its not about me accepting his evidence, its about him not having any evidence.
posting random scans that does not prove what asked for is no evidence and its not a matter of opinion.
nothing here resembles hypocrisy, as i pointed out i dont have to prove myself as a poster specially to someone who calls himself dicus.
i already proved everything there is by disproving rage as simple as it is, if scans were needed it would be a different manner however they are not.
i reply just because i am bored, you are also replying to my posts, does that mean you also care and take it personal?
if you want to debate then catch his place and go for it, if not then i really dont care what you think of my so called debating since i am only having some fun, you on the other hand take it like some kind of profession, you got a real job or anything? you seem too stressed over the internet.
i just think if you want to lick his ass its more suitable you do it in PM, since publicly it kinda looks really pathetic, might as well give him some hand job Lol.
there are opinions and there are facts, when opinions such as rages about thor being this and that contredict whats really happening they are no longer valid.
really? so where was his evidence that thor was effected by tutinax fear powers? where was the evidence he was injured while fighting the u foes? where is the evidence the u foes were empowered? no evidence.
if i disprove his so called "evidence" then i disproved his points.
mad? how can i be mad when i am doing something for fun like discussing comic book characters? being mad because of a guy i dont even know who calls himself dicus? you give yourself too much credit.
let me educate you a little on your theory: on who is addressing specific points, and doesnt get any answers that address his points, doesnt have to prove anything, if i would post anything it would be just the "turning the tables".
actually it was rage who was actually claiming something, he was claiming that thor was not at full power vs u foes, that the u foes were amped, and that tutinax was affecting thor with his fear powers.
therefor if someone makes claims he is the one who is suppose to prove those claims.
i got nothing to prove, only disprove what i dont agree with among those claims.
this actually shows how much of a hypocrite you are.
not your buddy? mentor? lover? what ever floats your boat.
pathetic is when you stick your nose into something when you are initially wrong and being a hypocrite.
Lol the irony, your comment shows how much you care, me? i am having some fun.